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12-14-2003, 04:23 PM | #1 |
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Why couldn't sauron make more rings of power?
Someone might have already made a topic about this, and there might be an article, but i DID do a search.
Why couldn't sauron make more rings of power? This is probably a stupid question, but I have read Sil and LotR, and, as far as i can remember, the answer is not there.
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12-14-2003, 07:42 PM | #2 |
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There are a number of reasons why he made no more Rings of Power. First of all, after he created the One, he was revealed as Sauron to the peoples of Middle-earth, so no one would henceforth be willing to accept a Ring of Power from him if he offered. He could not make another ring akin to the One Ring probably because it would have divided too much of his being, aside from the fact that it would probably be utterly useless.
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12-14-2003, 07:52 PM | #3 |
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i doubt he needed another ring. if he would of made another "One Ring" apart from needing a new name, it would either be powerless or he himself would be.
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12-14-2003, 07:57 PM | #4 |
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Well he couldn't make another one because he had put so much of his being and power into the first one. He had nothing left. And additionally he probably thought that he would never lose the "one", so once he did he would not want to make the same mistake again by putting almost all of his being into such a small thing.
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He could make another, but all's it would be is a tinker-toy. It would probably be a normal, average ring., plus, he has no phisical form, so he can't forge another
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12-15-2003, 03:19 PM | #7 |
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RIght, eol, whatever that means.
What i meant was, not, "could memake another ring of power", but could he make rings like those that ensnared the Nazgul?
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12-15-2003, 06:21 PM | #9 |
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Celebrimbor made the rings and sauron killed him off. So without celebrimbor...
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12-15-2003, 06:43 PM | #10 |
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Well, Sauron forged the One Ring without Celebrimbor (as well as teaching Celebrimbor some of what he knew), so I doubt that Celebrimbor's death would have left Sauron entirely unable to produce more Rings of Power.
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I think the question now is whether making more Nazgul like people would make the original Nazgul less powerful. Any ideas? I think it is an interesting question, even if no one else does.
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12-17-2003, 07:29 AM | #12 |
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His worshipping slaves in Harad and Rhun would definately have accepted them if he told them to.
Seems like the most likely explaantion is that it'd be too much a drain on his power, most of which was in the One already.
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12-20-2003, 10:57 AM | #13 |
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So he could not have made more because it would have been a drain on his power? Is this because he did not have the ring, and the ring was necessary to do anything requiring great power?
This seems like the most likely explanation.
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12-20-2003, 01:29 PM | #14 |
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Yes, I think it has to do like someone said earlier that he put most of his being and power into the ring, and had not enough for another ring. And why would he need another ring, he got it all with that ring. He can't ensnare the elves anymore so why try another time.
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12-20-2003, 03:57 PM | #16 |
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Yes, but another ring of lesser stature has no effect, because there are no "strong" men left( and probably thought nine were enough). Only the dunedain, and those were the decendants of the rebels of Numenor.
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12-20-2003, 06:16 PM | #17 |
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i beileve since he poured lots of his power into the creation of it, if he would have attempted another, he wouldnt have been able to, or it would be a really pitiful ring not worth the effort
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12-21-2003, 10:46 AM | #18 |
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It's not that he needed the One Ring to expend lots of power, it's simply that amking something like a Ring of Power requires you to put lots of your power into it, and seeing as he was missing the One at the time I don't think he was likel;y to want to use up more of his diminished pwoer than necessary. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]
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To be honest, Sauron didn't make any more Rings of Power because he didn't need any more Rings of Power. He made them to enslave all the other races to his will. Since the Easterlings and Haradrim were already enslaved to his will, giving their leaders Rings of Power would just be a wasteful expenditure of energy. He influenced the making of the Seven, Nine, and Three, because he wanted to bring the Dwarves, Men, and Elves under his control. Thankfully, the Elves were too smart for him, and even though it was last minute, they figured out what he was up to, and managed to hide the Three.
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12-21-2003, 01:08 PM | #20 |
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I know this is Middle Earth and not something modern, but still I can't help it:
Maybe it's kind of like an equation. One ring of power gave Sauron a ton of the power. Another ring, though, would be placed on the other side of the equation and cancel out the first ring, so in effect, Sauron's rings would both not work. This probably made no sense, but it was just an idea...
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12-21-2003, 01:22 PM | #21 |
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IMHO I agree with Finwe. Although there are not many precisions about the Nazgul and what they were before becoming ensnared by their ring, they are described as "great kings of men". This means that Sauron was only interested in giving the rings to great, powerful men. He wasn't interested in making rings in order to ensnare people already submitted to his will or so weak that they would easily be overcome by military forces. Only great kings "deserved" a ring.
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12-22-2003, 12:56 PM | #22 |
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Im just wondering- are a bunch of people misinterpreting my question, or are they going off on a tangent?
So giving men RoP did not make they powerful, it only enhanced their power. Because of this, elsnaring weak men would not help, because their power would not be enhanced enough to make it worth the effort. Got it.
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I think Finwe is right in saying he didn't need to make more. He already had the One, the Seven and the Nine and many lesser Rings more.
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