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davem · 04-27-2007, 10:55 AM

http://www.tolkienlibrary.com/press/...en_Library.php

However, the idea that Ruth Noel's farrago is 'essential' while Smith & Niggle languish in the void is a bit questionable....

Nogrod · 04-27-2007, 11:20 AM

On the first glance to the active topics I thought this was a spammer...

Apt title!

Lalwendë · 04-27-2007, 12:06 PM

Slightly puzzled here seeing as the single volume hardbacks of HoME are not in print any more and some of them are like gold-dust they are so rare!

And no Smith? You can't have a complete collection without Smith! The Horror!

And no Journeys of Frodo?

Child of the 7th Age · 04-27-2007, 01:34 PM

Regarding the inclusion of Ruth Noel's book. My guess is that they felt compelled to list something dealing explicitly with languages. The problem is that the best language resources are now websites on the computer rather than printed sources. There really hasn't been anything recent in a one-volume format that gives you an overview of how Tolkien handled languages (or for that matter even Sindarin and Quenyan by themselves). (There's the very old Allan book and the more recent book on Sindarin, which a lot of people don't like because of the liberties taken by David Salo in the movies.)

There may be several reasons for this dearth of titles. There is less of a market for this type of resource so, without the promise of large profits, publishers haven't put out much. Secondly, there is the problem that a fairly small group has been given exclusive access to Tolkien's language manuscripts. Gradually, those things have been coming out in Vinyar Tengwar but I haven't heard of anyone working on an overall synthesis or general appraisal. Noel's book is the only one I can think of as old and flawed as it is....unless someone knows of something else.

davem · 04-27-2007, 01:49 PM

The only other recent volume on languages is the Tolkien Society publication 'A Sindarin Lexicon' by Kenneth Chaij (now out of print).

Mind you - they are limited to their own publications. But perhaps Shippey's Author of the Century?

I wonder if the absence of Smith & Niggle is down to HM not having current editions of them out? Now, Harper Collins have a nice hardback edition due out in August, combining Roverandom, Smith, Niggle, Adventures of TB & Giles, called 'Tales from the Perilous Realm' http://www.amazon.co.uk/Tales-Perilo...7702997&sr=8-3

& perhaps HM will co-publish it. BTW, a new, revised edition of OFS, edited by Flieger & Anderson is out in October, along with a new Mr Bliss.

Seems like only Giles out of all of them makes it into HM's 'essentials'.

& where's the Letters???

04-27-2007, 10:55 AM	#1
davem Illustrious Ulair Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: In the home of lost causes, and forsaken beliefs, and unpopular names,and impossible loyalties Posts: 4,240	...& change from $900! http://www.tolkienlibrary.com/press/...en_Library.php However, the idea that Ruth Noel's farrago is 'essential' while Smith & Niggle languish in the void is a bit questionable.... __________________ “Everything was an object. If you killed a dwarf you could use it as a weapon – it was no different to other large heavy objects."

04-27-2007, 11:20 AM	#2
Nogrod Flame of the Ainulindalë Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Wearing rat's coat, crowskin, crossed staves in a field behaving as the wind behaves Posts: 9,308	On the first glance to the active topics I thought this was a spammer... Apt title! __________________ Upon the hearth the fire is red Beneath the roof there is a bed; But not yet weary are our feet...

04-27-2007, 12:06 PM	#3
Lalwendë A Mere Boggart Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: under the bed Posts: 4,737	Slightly puzzled here seeing as the single volume hardbacks of HoME are not in print any more and some of them are like gold-dust they are so rare! And no Smith? You can't have a complete collection without Smith! The Horror! And no Journeys of Frodo? __________________ Gordon's alive!

04-27-2007, 01:34 PM	#4
Child of the 7th Age Spirit of the Lonely Star Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 5,133	Regarding the inclusion of Ruth Noel's book. My guess is that they felt compelled to list something dealing explicitly with languages. The problem is that the best language resources are now websites on the computer rather than printed sources. There really hasn't been anything recent in a one-volume format that gives you an overview of how Tolkien handled languages (or for that matter even Sindarin and Quenyan by themselves). (There's the very old Allan book and the more recent book on Sindarin, which a lot of people don't like because of the liberties taken by David Salo in the movies.) There may be several reasons for this dearth of titles. There is less of a market for this type of resource so, without the promise of large profits, publishers haven't put out much. Secondly, there is the problem that a fairly small group has been given exclusive access to Tolkien's language manuscripts. Gradually, those things have been coming out in Vinyar Tengwar but I haven't heard of anyone working on an overall synthesis or general appraisal. Noel's book is the only one I can think of as old and flawed as it is....unless someone knows of something else. __________________ Multitasking women are never too busy to vote.

04-27-2007, 01:49 PM	#5
davem Illustrious Ulair Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: In the home of lost causes, and forsaken beliefs, and unpopular names,and impossible loyalties Posts: 4,240	The only other recent volume on languages is the Tolkien Society publication 'A Sindarin Lexicon' by Kenneth Chaij (now out of print). Mind you - they are limited to their own publications. But perhaps Shippey's Author of the Century? I wonder if the absence of Smith & Niggle is down to HM not having current editions of them out? Now, Harper Collins have a nice hardback edition due out in August, combining Roverandom, Smith, Niggle, Adventures of TB & Giles, called 'Tales from the Perilous Realm' http://www.amazon.co.uk/Tales-Perilo...7702997&sr=8-3 & perhaps HM will co-publish it. BTW, a new, revised edition of OFS, edited by Flieger & Anderson is out in October, along with a new Mr Bliss. Seems like only Giles out of all of them makes it into HM's 'essentials'. & where's the Letters??? __________________ “Everything was an object. If you killed a dwarf you could use it as a weapon – it was no different to other large heavy objects."