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Imbear Nolwehin · 07-17-2001, 06:44 PM

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How old was Gollum when he fell into the fire of Sammath Naur? I get something like 565 years old, or so. Can anyone correct this, or concur?
Hantalyën,

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Theodred21 · 07-17-2001, 06:51 PM

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Re: Sméagol's Age

I believe he was 589! <img src=smile.gif ALT="

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Inziladun · 07-17-2001, 07:28 PM

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Re: Sméagol's Age

Does it give his birthdate anywhere? It was 556 years from the time he murdered Déagol to his own death. Assuming they were both fairly young at that time, 589 sounds about right.

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Theodred21 · 07-17-2001, 07:51 PM

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Re: Sméagol's Age

I don't remember where I heard it, but Smeagol was 33 when found the ring, count all the years to 3019, and you get his age!

...he heard Theodred's great voice cry "To me, Eorlingas!"</p>

Imbear Nolwehin · 07-17-2001, 08:11 PM

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Thanks!

I was in the ball park, so to speak.
Where might I read for myself this thirty-three year old information? Sounds like a Christ reference.

Imbëar

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Fingolfin · 07-18-2001, 09:54 AM

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Re: Sméagol's Age

But that was how old frodo was when he got the ring. Is it a coincidence or did you get them mixed up?

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Theodred21 · 07-18-2001, 10:00 AM

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Re: Sméagol's Age

I think it's a coincidence! <img src=smile.gif ALT="

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...he heard Theodred's great voice cry "To me, Eorlingas!"</p>

GandaIf The White · 07-19-2001, 11:30 AM

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Re: Sméagol's Age

How do you prounounce Sméagol? SH-MEE-GUL, SH-MEE-GEL, S-MEE-GUL, S-MEE-GEL?

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Re: Sméagol's Age

I pronounce it SMEE-GULL. I think 589 sounds about right to me. After the evidence against him being 33 when he stole the ring I think that he is late 580's, early 590's. Wouldn't that make him the oldest living hobbit, seeing has he originated as a hobbit of sorts?

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Inziladun · 07-20-2001, 06:40 AM

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Re: Sméagol's Age

I always pronounced it SMAYGOL, never knowing if that was correct or not.

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Theodred21 · 07-20-2001, 08:42 AM

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Re: Sméagol's Age

I always pronounced it SMEE-GULL! <img src=smile.gif ALT="

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...he heard Theodred's great voice cry "To me, Eorlingas!"</p>

Beregond · 07-20-2001, 01:24 PM

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Re: Sméagol's Age

I always say "Smee-gol". <img src=smile.gif ALT="

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Fingolfin · 07-21-2001, 08:47 AM

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Re: Sméagol's Age

I don't know the origions of the term smeagol but if it is quenay then instead of the -ea- bing pronouned as a diphthong (along with eo, ie, io, oa, etc) each letter us pronounced distinctly

SMEE-A-GOL perhaps?

I am not that well-verse in quenay so I may be wrong <img src=frown.gif ALT="

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***Sharkû*** · 07-21-2001, 08:55 AM

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Re: Sméagol's Age

It isn't Quenya, it's (probably modernized) Ancient English (IIRC vaguely related to smial, both containing the root 'burrow').

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Imbear Nolwehin · 07-21-2001, 10:16 AM

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old hobbit

I pronounce the vowels separately, as indicated in the note on pronunciation.

The first long -é- I soften to rhyme with english "may," and the -a- I flatten to an -æ- to rhyme with "mat."

Smay-æ-goal, yesss my precioussss. We all give him that cartoon hiss though, I suppose <img src=smile.gif ALT="

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Imbëar

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Re: old hobbit

i say it "smay-a-gol"

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Odysseus819 · 07-25-2001, 12:09 PM

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Re: old hobbit

I like Theo's suggestion SHMEE - GOL though, sounds like a Jewish pastry. <Have a bit of shmeegol.>

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Telchar · 08-01-2001, 01:35 AM

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Re: old hobbit

Have any of you heard the audio of "Herbs and stewed Rabbit" that JRRT Himself read?
It has both Sam, Frodo and Smeagol himself pronouncing it SMEE-GOL!

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Beregond · 08-01-2001, 05:21 AM

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If it's good enough for Tolkien, it's good enough for me! <img src=smile.gif ALT="

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Theodred21 · 08-01-2001, 02:11 PM

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Re: old hobbit

Well, than that settles it then! <img src=smile.gif ALT="

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Bêthberry · 11-18-2006, 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Imbear Nolwehin

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Hello all,
How old was Gollum when he fell into the fire of Sammath Naur? I get something like 565 years old, or so. Can anyone correct this, or concur?
Hantalyën,

Imbëar

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Funny, isn't it, how the Ring seems to mimic elven longevity.

07-17-2001, 06:44 PM	#1
Imbear Nolwehin Pile O'Bones Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 17	Sméagol's Age <font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Pile o' Bones Posts: 19</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> Hello all, How old was Gollum when he fell into the fire of Sammath Naur? I get something like 565 years old, or so. Can anyone correct this, or concur? Hantalyën, Imbëar </p>

07-17-2001, 06:51 PM	#2
Theodred21 Phantom Rider Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Edoras, Rohan Posts: 1,213	<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Ghost-Prince of Cardolan Posts: 582</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> Re: Sméagol's Age I believe he was 589! <img src=smile.gif ALT=""> ...he heard Theodred's great voice cry "To me, Eorlingas!"</p> __________________ Rohan All that is gold does not glitter, Not all those who wander are lost; The old that is strong does not whither, Deep roots are not reached by the frost. From the ashes a fire shall be woken, A light from the shadows shall spring; Renewed shall be blade that was broken: The crownless again shall be king. -The Riddle of Strider

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Inziladun Gruesome Spectre Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Heaven's doorstep Posts: 8,037	<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Wight Posts: 234</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> Re: Sméagol's Age Does it give his birthdate anywhere? It was 556 years from the time he murdered Déagol to his own death. Assuming they were both fairly young at that time, 589 sounds about right. Those who will defend authority against rebellion must not themselves rebel. </p> __________________ Music alone proves the existence of God.

07-17-2001, 07:51 PM	#4
Theodred21 Phantom Rider Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Edoras, Rohan Posts: 1,213	<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Ghost-Prince of Cardolan Posts: 584</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> Re: Sméagol's Age I don't remember where I heard it, but Smeagol was 33 when found the ring, count all the years to 3019, and you get his age! ...he heard Theodred's great voice cry "To me, Eorlingas!"</p> __________________ Rohan All that is gold does not glitter, Not all those who wander are lost; The old that is strong does not whither, Deep roots are not reached by the frost. From the ashes a fire shall be woken, A light from the shadows shall spring; Renewed shall be blade that was broken: The crownless again shall be king. -The Riddle of Strider

07-18-2001, 10:00 AM	#7
Theodred21 Phantom Rider Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Edoras, Rohan Posts: 1,213	<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Ghost-Prince of Cardolan Posts: 617</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> Re: Sméagol's Age I think it's a coincidence! <img src=smile.gif ALT=""> ...he heard Theodred's great voice cry "To me, Eorlingas!"</p> __________________ Rohan All that is gold does not glitter, Not all those who wander are lost; The old that is strong does not whither, Deep roots are not reached by the frost. From the ashes a fire shall be woken, A light from the shadows shall spring; Renewed shall be blade that was broken: The crownless again shall be king. -The Riddle of Strider

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Imbear Nolwehin Pile O'Bones Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 17	<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Pile o' Bones Posts: 20</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> Thanks! I was in the ball park, so to speak. Where might I read for myself this thirty-three year old information? Sounds like a Christ reference. Imbëar </p>

07-18-2001, 09:54 AM	#6
Fingolfin Haunting Spirit Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 70	<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Animated Skeleton Posts: 50</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> Re: Sméagol's Age But that was how old frodo was when he got the ring. Is it a coincidence or did you get them mixed up? </p>

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GandaIf The White Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 267	<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Shade of Carn Dûm Posts: 309</TD><TD><img src=http://www.herr-der-ringe-film.de/HdR/crewmckel.JPG WIDTH=60 HEIGHT=60></TD></TR></TABLE> Re: Sméagol's Age How do you prounounce Sméagol? SH-MEE-GUL, SH-MEE-GEL, S-MEE-GUL, S-MEE-GEL? "Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement. For even the very wise cannot see all ends."</p>

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Impmog2001 Pile O'Bones Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 12	<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Newly Deceased Posts: 7</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> Re: Sméagol's Age I pronounce it SMEE-GULL. I think 589 sounds about right to me. After the evidence against him being 33 when he stole the ring I think that he is late 580's, early 590's. Wouldn't that make him the oldest living hobbit, seeing has he originated as a hobbit of sorts? </p>

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Inziladun Gruesome Spectre Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Heaven's doorstep Posts: 8,037	<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Wight Posts: 237</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> Re: Sméagol's Age I always pronounced it SMAYGOL, never knowing if that was correct or not. Those who will defend authority against rebellion must not themselves rebel. </p> __________________ Music alone proves the existence of God.

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Theodred21 Phantom Rider Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Edoras, Rohan Posts: 1,213	<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Ghost-Prince of Cardolan Posts: 665</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> Re: Sméagol's Age I always pronounced it SMEE-GULL! <img src=smile.gif ALT=""> ...he heard Theodred's great voice cry "To me, Eorlingas!"</p> __________________ Rohan All that is gold does not glitter, Not all those who wander are lost; The old that is strong does not whither, Deep roots are not reached by the frost. From the ashes a fire shall be woken, A light from the shadows shall spring; Renewed shall be blade that was broken: The crownless again shall be king. -The Riddle of Strider

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Beregond Playful Ghoul Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,251	<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Ghost-Prince of Cardolan Posts: 567</TD><TD><img src=http://members.attcanada.ca/~kind1/beregond.jpg WIDTH=60 HEIGHT=60></TD></TR></TABLE> Re: Sméagol's Age I always say "Smee-gol". <img src=smile.gif ALT=""> <font size="-2">'They have come!' he said. 'Take courage and look! There are fell things below.'</p> __________________ "Hope and memory shall live still in some hidden valley where the grass is green."

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Fingolfin Haunting Spirit Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 70	<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Haunting Spirit Posts: 54</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> Re: Sméagol's Age I don't know the origions of the term smeagol but if it is quenay then instead of the -ea- bing pronouned as a diphthong (along with eo, ie, io, oa, etc) each letter us pronounced distinctly SMEE-A-GOL perhaps? I am not that well-verse in quenay so I may be wrong <img src=frown.gif ALT=""> </p>

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*Sharkû* Hungry Ghoul Join Date: Jun 2000 Posts: 1,719	<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Hungry Ghoul Posts: 979</TD><TD><img src=http://www.tolkiens-legacy.de/draugen2.jpg WIDTH=60 HEIGHT=60></TD></TR></TABLE> Re: Sméagol's Age It isn't Quenya, it's (probably modernized) Ancient English (IIRC vaguely related to smial, both containing the root 'burrow'). </p>

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Imbear Nolwehin Pile O'Bones Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 17	<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Pile o' Bones Posts: 21</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> old hobbit I pronounce the vowels separately, as indicated in the note on pronunciation. The first long -é- I soften to rhyme with english "may," and the -a- I flatten to an -æ- to rhyme with "mat." Smay-æ-goal, yesss my precioussss. We all give him that cartoon hiss though, I suppose <img src=smile.gif ALT=""> Imbëar </p>

07-21-2001, 12:38 PM	#16
stuh505 Guest Posts: n/a	<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Newly Deceased Posts: 3</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> Re: old hobbit i say it "smay-a-gol" </p>

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Odysseus819 Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 699	<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Ghost-Prince of Cardolan Posts: 595</TD><TD></TD></TR></TABLE> Re: old hobbit I like Theo's suggestion SHMEE - GOL though, sounds like a Jewish pastry. <Have a bit of shmeegol.> <font size = "-2"> [i] Listen! the mighty Being is awake / And doth with his eternal motion make / A sound like thunder--everlastingly.</p>

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Beregond Playful Ghoul Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,251	<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Playful Ghoul Posts: 795</TD><TD><img src=http://members.attcanada.ca/~kind1/beregond.jpg WIDTH=60 HEIGHT=60></TD></TR></TABLE> Re: old hobbit If it's good enough for Tolkien, it's good enough for me! <img src=smile.gif ALT=""> <font size="-2">'They have come!' he said. 'Take courage and look! There are fell things below.'</p> __________________ "Hope and memory shall live still in some hidden valley where the grass is green."

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