Master or Servant? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Merri · 08-26-2002, 10:33 AM

This is an English class type question, but oh well.

If you simplify things, then Frodo could be classified as the 'master' in his relationship with Sam, and Sam could be classified as the 'servant'. Which would you rather be? The master, or servant? I realize this is really very simplified, but, hm. That's the product of laziness, I suppose.

[ August 26, 2002: Message edited by: Merri ]

Davin · 08-26-2002, 10:52 AM

Frodo has a very hard role to fill in LotR as the ringbearer, and he suffers tremendously. Sam offers Frodo support, and keeps him on track as they go to destroy the ring.

I would want to be Sam. Frodo has a hard role, and Sam does too, but I could do a better job of being Sam than Frodo.

Beren87 · 08-26-2002, 02:44 PM

I'd rather be Frodo, I always crave for understanding, and not knowing what's happening to my "master" would quite annoy me.

Rohirrim Lass · 08-26-2002, 03:19 PM

In general that would annoy me, except that I'm figuring if I'm Sam, I have complete trust in Frodo, so it wouldn't bother me.

akhtene · 08-26-2002, 04:24 PM

Viewing Frodo and Sam as 'master' and 'servant' (in this order) I think is just to name their social relations. From this point of view I'd prefer to be in Frodo's place.

But in another aspect it's Sam who is really the MASTER of his fate as he makes his choice and does what he most want doing, that is accompanying Frodo, helping him, saving him etc. Frodo on the other hand SERVES the world, bearing a tremendous burdain and tremendous responsibility imposed on him by his fate,the Wise and his sense of duty. Having this in mind I just don't think I'd cope as Frodo.

dark_one · 08-26-2002, 08:12 PM

I'd probably want to be the Master in the situation cause I like to be in charge. Some of my instincts are to dominate and control.

Catherine · 08-26-2002, 08:15 PM

I would want to be the master!

Merri · 08-26-2002, 10:52 PM

Hmm . . . I don't really know what I myself would rather be. Both positions are rather difficult, I think, and there's more to being a 'master' than just having control. I think I'd rather be Sam, because I'm better at following directions and giving support than giving directions. But then again, chances are that you won't find me on a long, perilous journey like the one the Fellowship embarked on. You'll most likely find me curled up by a fire with a good book [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

MYyyPreciousSS · 08-26-2002, 11:35 PM

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I'd rather be Frodo, I always crave for understanding

Me too. There is something about being in a tough situation that intrigues me, I'm not really sure why. So, for that reason, I would want to be Frodo. Though, I'm not usually a leader and better at following directions. Also, I would usually, in most cases, choose servant over master, because of the fact that I could relate to a servant more. But in this case I relate to Frodo more. No, I don't have to destroy an evil ring, but I can understand his sorrow.
So even tough I probably wouldn't make that great of a leader, for some reason there is something that really makes me want to be Frodo.

[ August 27, 2002: Message edited by: MYyyPreciousSS ]

08-27-2002, 12:27 AM

People have allways said "If you wassen't so much like Legolas, you'd be Frodo", so I guess My answer lies in that quote...Frodo. Anyway, theres SOMETHING bout his role that I can really relate to...
Plus the fact that My personallity test came bak "Frodo" with Legolas in second place

[ August 27, 2002: Message edited by: Kithrena Greenwood Legolas ]

Birdland · 08-27-2002, 08:42 AM

Given the choice between Servant or Master on any noble quest, I would definitely go for the Servant role.

OK, so you don't get to dress the best and you have to serve at dinner, but you get to go through the whole quest experience and - 9 times out of 10 - actually survive!

Then you can go home again, write a book, sell the movie rights, and have lots of people interviewing you, asking "What was he REALLY like?"

Usually your social status rises, and you get some kind of financial compensation as well, so a servant on a decent quest can be pretty much set for life.

So get out there and slay that windmill, Master! I'm right behind you, holding the horses and breaking out the bandages.

LadyElbereth · 08-27-2002, 10:32 AM

I'd rather be the "servant" in this situation, but for those who know me, they would probably say I'm more like the "master". lol.

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Arwen Imladris · 08-28-2002, 11:32 AM

I would have like to be the master, but that is partly because I like Frodo better then Sam. It would be kind of nice to be in charge, however, if you are a servant you don't have the responsibilities. Oh well.

Samwise · 08-29-2002, 02:05 PM

Given Who I'd like to be like, definitely Sam, the servant.

Frodo Baggins · 08-29-2002, 02:40 PM

Oh Sam, WHy am I not surprised at your answer??? hee hee

Samwise · 08-29-2002, 02:48 PM

Well, sir, considering the fact that He was master and yet servant, why not? [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

ColletteTook · 08-29-2002, 04:21 PM

I would want to be Sam.
I think that in a sense, neither Frodo or Sam are master to their relationship, but have an equal understanding of how they must care for eachother.
But i was APPAULED at the way Frodo treats him when the ring starts to ensnare his mind....arr! Poor Sam! I LOVE HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lothiriel Silmarien · 08-29-2002, 07:10 PM

I'd rather be Frodo. I think I'd be able to endure the pain and suffering. Maybe not as good as Frodo. But I can keep things to myself if I want to. And I'm very strong willed, so if I want something accomplished, I'll see that it's done. But I would definetly need someone like Sam! Good ol' Sam. They're both such strong hobbits actually.

NyteSky · 08-29-2002, 09:24 PM

Master vs Servant? I prefer 2nd in command personally. Like Aragorn when Gandalf's around. Pretty good job security, the head guy almost always gets killed first, then I can take over, but usually not permanently. There's power but not quite as much responsibility. Out of the two, I'd have to be Frodo though. I wouldn't be able to let someone else do the hardest work. I'm probably going to get mobbed for this, but something about Sam's always sort of annoyed me. He's too much of a servant I guess. He needs to grow a personality independent of Frodo. Just my opinion, please don't kill me! [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

Neferchoirwen · 08-29-2002, 11:19 PM

To sort all the stuff in my mind, I think being "called" to be a master is more of fate. it's not that you don;t have a choice. you're still in control of your life, but you've got something to do, which being your preoccupation, as well as your duty. being a servant is sort of the same thing---fate, yeah, but it's kind of necessary.

I like what akhtene said:

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it's Sam who is really the MASTER of his fate as he makes his choice and does what he most want doing, that is accompanying Frodo, helping him, saving him etc. Frodo on the other hand SERVES the world, bearing a tremendous burdain and tremendous responsibility imposed on him by his fate,the Wise and his sense of duty

He sort of deconstructed the roles and the people, which is cool, and really makes sense.

as for me, what would i be? i think i am bound to be a master, but i want to be a servant. when i consider being a servant, i end up dictating orders and things that need to be done. but when i become a master, i become afraid of the responsibility and tend to shy away into the servant's quarters, with added bitterness and frustration.

THe servant always seems to be the safer choice. a few people would like to take the initiative, which is what i admit that i lack.

Here's hoping for more improvement...
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Frodo Baggins · 08-30-2002, 07:14 AM

Did you hear that Sam?? Nytesky needs a bit of instruction I believe. Sam did what he did out of love and friendship and love. (Sheesh, crazy humans) Besides, by the end Sam and Frodo sort of ended up more as equals than one superior to the other.

Alaggaeriel · 08-30-2002, 11:36 AM

I don't really know which one I would want to be. I do know that I would be very lucky to have a friend like Sam who would stand by me and fight for me if need be. In the movie, all Frodo does is trip on his large feet while Sam tries his hardest to protect him. I think I would rather be a servant.

Neferchoirwen · 08-30-2002, 01:34 PM

Hallo Frodo and Sam!

Just a question to everyone who decided that they wanted to be a servant...

Did you choose 'servant' because probably you're afraid of responsibility?

It may sound blunt, but I feel like I'm running away from a lot of things by being second in command. But a lot of people have no idea that they are 'masters' in their own way. They just don't know it.

LadyElbereth · 08-30-2002, 03:16 PM

Well Neferchoirwen, I have to say that if I was in the situation Frodo and Sam were in, I would definitly be afraid of having the kind of responsibilty Frodo had to have. That's why, of course, I would want to be Sam. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

VanimaEdhel · 08-30-2002, 04:03 PM

I do not think I would want to carry the burden of the ring for anything. Which means I would rather be Orc Extra 4 (so to speak) than carry the responsibility of the ring. If it were a lesser responsibility, I would jump at the opportunity to be Frodo. I just would not carry that ring for anything...I am definitely not strong enough to do so.

Rose Cotton · 08-30-2002, 07:05 PM

For me, I'd have to be the servant.

But like others have said. He wasn't all servant. If you noticed the title to one of the chapters was "The Choices of MASTER Samwise" this would seem insignifigant but it really isn't. This is the first time Sam has to be the master of his fate. He can't rely on Frodo's advice and he can't even just follow Frodo's lead. From this point on Sam takes alot of the decitions into his own hands. It is still the master servant relationship but Sam become's more of a body guard then just a little helper.

Sam takes this new challenge with wonderfull grace and that's why I fell in love with him. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

Samwise · 08-30-2002, 08:51 PM

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Given Who I'd like to be like, definitely Sam, the servant.

Nev, you didn't read my post--though then again, you may not have understood it.
I'm a Christian, and the "Who" I'd most like to be like is Jesus, Who was Master, yet Servant. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

Frodo Baggins · 09-01-2002, 07:06 PM

YAY SAM!!!!!!!!!!! WAY TO GO!!!!!!!!

Gimli Son Of Gloin · 09-01-2002, 07:52 PM

I would rather be Frodo, because Sam was <font size="5">FAT.<font size="2">

Neferchoirwen · 09-02-2002, 07:45 AM

Sam? were you refering to NEV or to me, NEF?

I was reading your last post, misread "Nev" into "Nef" but thought you were refering to me.

But anywho... I was just noticing that there are a lot of people who want to be servant. As a Christian myself, I must have looked down on the 'servants.' I realize my error now. But you enlightened me, Sam [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] The ideas of servanthood and of being a master should be one and the same.

And this comes to mind, that each person shouldn't think himself better or less than others. Humility is key, and since I'd rather humble myself, then I'd be better off as an obedient servant.

Thanks, Sam dear, and God bless ya heaps!

Merri · 09-02-2002, 12:40 PM

Would it make any difference in your answers if I said that I meant that Sam was a servant in his role in his relationship with Frodo, and just that? I was referring specifically to his relationship to Frodo, not to his role in the books themselves. His role generally, I agree, could really be considered master. But I was talking only about his role in his relationship with Frodo [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Samwise · 09-02-2002, 12:48 PM

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Sam? were you refering to NEV or to me, NEF?

Whoop. Sorry, NEF, I did mean you. [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img]

08-26-2002, 10:33 AM	#1
Merri Wight Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: The Shire Posts: 221	Master or Servant? This is an English class type question, but oh well. If you simplify things, then Frodo could be classified as the 'master' in his relationship with Sam, and Sam could be classified as the 'servant'. Which would you rather be? The master, or servant? I realize this is really very simplified, but, hm. That's the product of laziness, I suppose. [ August 26, 2002: Message edited by: Merri ] __________________ Knowledge is just opinion that you trust enough to act upon. -Children of the Mind, by Orson Scott Card.

08-26-2002, 10:52 AM	#2
Davin Wight Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 166	Frodo has a very hard role to fill in LotR as the ringbearer, and he suffers tremendously. Sam offers Frodo support, and keeps him on track as they go to destroy the ring. I would want to be Sam. Frodo has a hard role, and Sam does too, but I could do a better job of being Sam than Frodo. __________________ So do all who live to see such times, but that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us. »»The Telmena««

08-26-2002, 04:24 PM	#5
akhtene Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: May 2002 Location: stronghold of the North Posts: 390	Viewing Frodo and Sam as 'master' and 'servant' (in this order) I think is just to name their social relations. From this point of view I'd prefer to be in Frodo's place. But in another aspect it's Sam who is really the MASTER of his fate as he makes his choice and does what he most want doing, that is accompanying Frodo, helping him, saving him etc. Frodo on the other hand SERVES the world, bearing a tremendous burdain and tremendous responsibility imposed on him by his fate,the Wise and his sense of duty. Having this in mind I just don't think I'd cope as Frodo. __________________ Где найти мне сил, чтобы вернуться через века, Чтобы ты - простил?.. А трава разлуки высока...

08-26-2002, 08:12 PM	#6
dark_one Pile O'Bones Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: the firey underworld Posts: 23	I'd probably want to be the Master in the situation cause I like to be in charge. Some of my instincts are to dominate and control. __________________ “Dreams, ideas, & plans not only are an escape, they give me a purpose, a reason to hang on” -Steven Callahan “First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. The they fight you. Then you win” -Gandhi

08-26-2002, 08:15 PM	#7
Catherine Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Lothlorien Posts: 297	I would want to be the master! __________________ ~.:Catherine:.~ "I have never been out of my own land before. And if I had known what the world outside was like. I don't think I should have had the heart to leave it." ~Merry to Haldir in Lothlórien~

08-26-2002, 02:44 PM	#3
Beren87 Master of the Secret Fire Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Between fire and ice, death and life Posts: 2,241	I'd rather be Frodo, I always crave for understanding, and not knowing what's happening to my "master" would quite annoy me.

08-26-2002, 03:19 PM	#4
Rohirrim Lass Pile O'Bones Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Where ever... Posts: 25	In general that would annoy me, except that I'm figuring if I'm Sam, I have complete trust in Frodo, so it wouldn't bother me.

08-26-2002, 10:52 PM	#8
Merri Wight Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: The Shire Posts: 221	Hmm . . . I don't really know what I myself would rather be. Both positions are rather difficult, I think, and there's more to being a 'master' than just having control. I think I'd rather be Sam, because I'm better at following directions and giving support than giving directions. But then again, chances are that you won't find me on a long, perilous journey like the one the Fellowship embarked on. You'll most likely find me curled up by a fire with a good book [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] __________________ Knowledge is just opinion that you trust enough to act upon. -Children of the Mind, by Orson Scott Card.

08-27-2002, 12:27 AM	#10
Kithrena Legolas Guest Posts: n/a	People have allways said "If you wassen't so much like Legolas, you'd be Frodo", so I guess My answer lies in that quote...Frodo. Anyway, theres SOMETHING bout his role that I can really relate to... Plus the fact that My personallity test came bak "Frodo" with Legolas in second place [ August 27, 2002: Message edited by: Kithrena Greenwood Legolas ]

08-27-2002, 08:42 AM	#11
Birdland Ghastly Neekerbreeker Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: the banks of the mighty Scioto Posts: 1,751	Given the choice between Servant or Master on any noble quest, I would definitely go for the Servant role. OK, so you don't get to dress the best and you have to serve at dinner, but you get to go through the whole quest experience and - 9 times out of 10 - actually survive! Then you can go home again, write a book, sell the movie rights, and have lots of people interviewing you, asking "What was he REALLY like?" Usually your social status rises, and you get some kind of financial compensation as well, so a servant on a decent quest can be pretty much set for life. So get out there and slay that windmill, Master! I'm right behind you, holding the horses and breaking out the bandages.

08-27-2002, 10:32 AM	#12
LadyElbereth Wight Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Taniquetil Posts: 183	I'd rather be the "servant" in this situation, but for those who know me, they would probably say I'm more like the "master". lol. [ August 27, 2002: Message edited by: LadyElbereth ] __________________ If I could be anything, I'd be your tear, so I could be born in your eye, live down your cheek, and die on your lips.

08-28-2002, 11:32 AM	#13
Arwen Imladris Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In a box with a fox Posts: 1,347	I would have like to be the master, but that is partly because I like Frodo better then Sam. It would be kind of nice to be in charge, however, if you are a servant you don't have the responsibilities. Oh well. __________________ "Wake up! Wake up! Wake up, sleepies, we must go, yes, we must go at once."

08-29-2002, 02:05 PM	#14
Samwise Faithful Spirit Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: #3 Bagshot Row, Petaluma, Ca Posts: 2,299	Given Who I'd like to be like, definitely Sam, the servant. __________________ Giving thanks unto the Father...In whom we have redemption through His blood, even the forgiveness of sins.~Colossians1:12a,14 * * * * * * * I am Samwise son of Hamfast, if by hoe or trowel I can get these weeds out of your garden, I will.You have my shears!;)

08-29-2002, 02:40 PM	#15
Frodo Baggins Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Bag-End, Under-Hill, Hobbiton-across-the Water Posts: 606	Oh Sam, WHy am I not surprised at your answer??? hee hee __________________ "I'm your huckleberry....that's just my game."

08-29-2002, 02:48 PM	#16
Samwise Faithful Spirit Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: #3 Bagshot Row, Petaluma, Ca Posts: 2,299	Well, sir, considering the fact that He was master and yet servant, why not? [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] __________________ Giving thanks unto the Father...In whom we have redemption through His blood, even the forgiveness of sins.~Colossians1:12a,14 * * * * * * * I am Samwise son of Hamfast, if by hoe or trowel I can get these weeds out of your garden, I will.You have my shears!;)

08-29-2002, 04:21 PM	#17
ColletteTook Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Hobbiton and Tinnuvielda Posts: 369	I would want to be Sam. I think that in a sense, neither Frodo or Sam are master to their relationship, but have an equal understanding of how they must care for eachother. But i was APPAULED at the way Frodo treats him when the ring starts to ensnare his mind....arr! Poor Sam! I LOVE HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! __________________ A Hobbit of Bywater

08-29-2002, 07:10 PM	#18
Lothiriel Silmarien Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: New York Posts: 829	I'd rather be Frodo. I think I'd be able to endure the pain and suffering. Maybe not as good as Frodo. But I can keep things to myself if I want to. And I'm very strong willed, so if I want something accomplished, I'll see that it's done. But I would definetly need someone like Sam! Good ol' Sam. They're both such strong hobbits actually. __________________ Si vanwa na Romello vanwa Valimar!~~ ~~Now lost, lost to those from the East is Valimar! My LotR page

08-29-2002, 09:24 PM	#19
NyteSky Haunting Spirit Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Tower of Sorcery and Lore Posts: 76	Master vs Servant? I prefer 2nd in command personally. Like Aragorn when Gandalf's around. Pretty good job security, the head guy almost always gets killed first, then I can take over, but usually not permanently. There's power but not quite as much responsibility. Out of the two, I'd have to be Frodo though. I wouldn't be able to let someone else do the hardest work. I'm probably going to get mobbed for this, but something about Sam's always sort of annoyed me. He's too much of a servant I guess. He needs to grow a personality independent of Frodo. Just my opinion, please don't kill me! [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] __________________ The cure for boredom is curiosity. There is no cure for curiosity. AIM: NightSky717 Email/msn IM: davidone_2000@msn.com

08-30-2002, 07:14 AM	#21
Frodo Baggins Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Bag-End, Under-Hill, Hobbiton-across-the Water Posts: 606	Did you hear that Sam?? Nytesky needs a bit of instruction I believe. Sam did what he did out of love and friendship and love. (Sheesh, crazy humans) Besides, by the end Sam and Frodo sort of ended up more as equals than one superior to the other. __________________ "I'm your huckleberry....that's just my game."

08-30-2002, 11:36 AM	#22
Alaggaeriel Animated Skeleton Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Texas, USA Posts: 35	I don't really know which one I would want to be. I do know that I would be very lucky to have a friend like Sam who would stand by me and fight for me if need be. In the movie, all Frodo does is trip on his large feet while Sam tries his hardest to protect him. I think I would rather be a servant. __________________ Speak, Friend, and Enter.

08-30-2002, 01:34 PM	#23
Neferchoirwen Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: RtR: 483.3 miles, Fords of Bruinen Posts: 512	Hallo Frodo and Sam! Just a question to everyone who decided that they wanted to be a servant... Did you choose 'servant' because probably you're afraid of responsibility? It may sound blunt, but I feel like I'm running away from a lot of things by being second in command. But a lot of people have no idea that they are 'masters' in their own way. They just don't know it. __________________ On really romantic nights of self, I go salsa dancing with my confusion. ~Speed Levitch http://crevicesofsilence.blogspot.com/

08-30-2002, 03:16 PM	#24
LadyElbereth Wight Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Taniquetil Posts: 183	Well Neferchoirwen, I have to say that if I was in the situation Frodo and Sam were in, I would definitly be afraid of having the kind of responsibilty Frodo had to have. That's why, of course, I would want to be Sam. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] __________________ If I could be anything, I'd be your tear, so I could be born in your eye, live down your cheek, and die on your lips.

08-30-2002, 04:03 PM	#25
VanimaEdhel Etheral Enchantress Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Wellesley College! Posts: 1,461	I do not think I would want to carry the burden of the ring for anything. Which means I would rather be Orc Extra 4 (so to speak) than carry the responsibility of the ring. If it were a lesser responsibility, I would jump at the opportunity to be Frodo. I just would not carry that ring for anything...I am definitely not strong enough to do so. __________________ "I think we dream so we don't have to be apart so long. If we're in each others dreams, we can be together all the time." - Hobbes of Calvin and Hobbes

08-30-2002, 07:05 PM	#26
Rose Cotton Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: A place worse then Mordor........School! Posts: 1,075	For me, I'd have to be the servant. But like others have said. He wasn't all servant. If you noticed the title to one of the chapters was "The Choices of MASTER Samwise" this would seem insignifigant but it really isn't. This is the first time Sam has to be the master of his fate. He can't rely on Frodo's advice and he can't even just follow Frodo's lead. From this point on Sam takes alot of the decitions into his own hands. It is still the master servant relationship but Sam become's more of a body guard then just a little helper. Sam takes this new challenge with wonderfull grace and that's why I fell in love with him. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] __________________ "There's nothing you can do, Harry... nothing... he's gone."-Remus Lupin "The closer we are to danger, the further we are from harm."-Pippin (now how can you argue with that logic?)

09-01-2002, 07:06 PM	#28
Frodo Baggins Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Bag-End, Under-Hill, Hobbiton-across-the Water Posts: 606	YAY SAM!!!!!!!!!!! WAY TO GO!!!!!!!! __________________ "I'm your huckleberry....that's just my game."

09-01-2002, 07:52 PM	#29
Gimli Son Of Gloin Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: The Halls of Montezuma, and the Shores of Tripoli Posts: 495	I would rather be Frodo, because Sam was <font size="5">FAT.<font size="2"> __________________ The Few, the Proud, the Marines.

09-02-2002, 07:45 AM	#30
Neferchoirwen Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: RtR: 483.3 miles, Fords of Bruinen Posts: 512	Sam? were you refering to NEV or to me, NEF? I was reading your last post, misread "Nev" into "Nef" but thought you were refering to me. But anywho... I was just noticing that there are a lot of people who want to be servant. As a Christian myself, I must have looked down on the 'servants.' I realize my error now. But you enlightened me, Sam [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] The ideas of servanthood and of being a master should be one and the same. And this comes to mind, that each person shouldn't think himself better or less than others. Humility is key, and since I'd rather humble myself, then I'd be better off as an obedient servant. Thanks, Sam dear, and God bless ya heaps! __________________ On really romantic nights of self, I go salsa dancing with my confusion. ~Speed Levitch http://crevicesofsilence.blogspot.com/

09-02-2002, 12:40 PM	#31
Merri Wight Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: The Shire Posts: 221	Would it make any difference in your answers if I said that I meant that Sam was a servant in his role in his relationship with Frodo, and just that? I was referring specifically to his relationship to Frodo, not to his role in the books themselves. His role generally, I agree, could really be considered master. But I was talking only about his role in his relationship with Frodo [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] __________________ Knowledge is just opinion that you trust enough to act upon. -Children of the Mind, by Orson Scott Card.