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Olorin · 04-26-2003, 10:13 AM

Some people think that the Arkenstone was the Silmaril, but in previous threads, there was to much evidence for me to believe it. If it wasn't a silmaril, what was it?

Lyra Greenleaf · 04-26-2003, 11:40 AM

It can't be a silmaril, one of them was sailing around the heavens and the other two were in Morgoth's clutches, until Feanor's sons got them and then then cast one into a "fiery chasm" the other into the sea. How would they get to Erebor? Anyway it's said to be beautiful but it didn't have the great appeal of the Silmarils which caused so much trouble.

It was just a jewel found under Erebor in the manner that all gemstones are found, which happened to be exceptionally big and beautiful.

[ April 26, 2003: Message edited by: Lyra Greenleaf ]

04-26-2003, 11:50 AM

I will say no it is not a silmaril. The hobbit was written just after tolkien finished writting his first sketches of the Silmarillion. He had already come up with the tale of the silmarils and since the Hobbit was for his family they would have known what the silmarils were. Also as has been pointed out earlier there were oly three and they are accounted for as to where they are. The silmarils would burn through cloth and blister skin. Yet Bilbo wrapped it in his cloak for days. Also Thranduil would have recognized it as a silmaril when Bilbo gave it to him. If it truly were a silmaril Thranduil would have left with just that gem and would not have cared for any of the other treasure-yet he stayed to continue the war for the treasure and used it as a bartering tool.

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Ardolon · 06-19-2003, 11:54 PM

It was a big pretty rock (Diamond, I think, though I'm not sure where I got the idea" they mined from Erebor, carved into a beautiful shape, as I recall.

Olorin · 06-20-2003, 01:12 PM

Thanks, question answered.

04-26-2003, 10:13 AM	#1
Olorin Wight Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Where the sun sails and the moon walks. Posts: 155	Arkenstone??? Some people think that the Arkenstone was the Silmaril, but in previous threads, there was to much evidence for me to believe it. If it wasn't a silmaril, what was it? __________________ Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then don't be too eager to deal out death in judgement. For even the very wise cannot see all ends.

04-26-2003, 11:40 AM	#2
Lyra Greenleaf The Diaphanous Dryad Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: R toL: 531, past the wild path Posts: 1,152	It can't be a silmaril, one of them was sailing around the heavens and the other two were in Morgoth's clutches, until Feanor's sons got them and then then cast one into a "fiery chasm" the other into the sea. How would they get to Erebor? Anyway it's said to be beautiful but it didn't have the great appeal of the Silmarils which caused so much trouble. It was just a jewel found under Erebor in the manner that all gemstones are found, which happened to be exceptionally big and beautiful. [ April 26, 2003: Message edited by: Lyra Greenleaf ] __________________ “Sylphs of the forest,” I whispered. “Spirits of oak, beech and ash. Dryads of Rowan and hazel, hear us. You who have guided and guarded our every footstep, you who have sheltered our growth, we honour you." the Forbidden Link

06-19-2003, 11:54 PM	#5
Ardolon Pile O'Bones Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 16	It was a big pretty rock (Diamond, I think, though I'm not sure where I got the idea" they mined from Erebor, carved into a beautiful shape, as I recall. __________________ Pushing the envelope three inches futher then anyone else.-Bone

06-20-2003, 01:12 PM	#6
Olorin Wight Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Where the sun sails and the moon walks. Posts: 155	Thanks, question answered. __________________ Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then don't be too eager to deal out death in judgement. For even the very wise cannot see all ends.

04-26-2003, 11:50 AM	#3
gilereael Guest Posts: n/a	I will say no it is not a silmaril. The hobbit was written just after tolkien finished writting his first sketches of the Silmarillion. He had already come up with the tale of the silmarils and since the Hobbit was for his family they would have known what the silmarils were. Also as has been pointed out earlier there were oly three and they are accounted for as to where they are. The silmarils would burn through cloth and blister skin. Yet Bilbo wrapped it in his cloak for days. Also Thranduil would have recognized it as a silmaril when Bilbo gave it to him. If it truly were a silmaril Thranduil would have left with just that gem and would not have cared for any of the other treasure-yet he stayed to continue the war for the treasure and used it as a bartering tool.

04-26-2003, 03:14 PM	#4
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