Good Guys or Bad Guys? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

MallornLeaf · 08-21-2002, 09:00 PM

Out of curiosity, do you like the good guys or the bad guys better? now don't think I'm stupid-- let me explain myself.

When you discuss the LOTR, do you find yourself saying, "Grond is such an awesome weapon," "that balrog was soo cool!" "did you catch the part where Melkor..."
or do you say, rather, "Wow--Glorfindel was amazing!" "did you see Eerendil?"

I ALWAYS thought of the good guys, but I was talking to a friend, and was said, "Oh no! It's that bad guys that make LOTR so cool!"

What do you think?

Evisse the Blue · 08-22-2002, 02:15 AM

No, actually I think the bad guys are rather dumb most of the time - although I sometimes feel so much pity for them that I almost want them to win! - happens to me with other books, too [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img]
But I think I really like Gollum - he's hilarious! [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

Thengise Greenleaf of Mirkwood · 08-22-2002, 02:19 AM

I think of the good guys! Yes, sometimes I do pity the bad guys, for at times it isn't their fault they are bad, But that's there part in the book so I HATE THEM! lol

Ringwraith Number Two · 08-22-2002, 03:44 AM

I think the bad guys are the best. The Ringwraiths, for example. [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img] The bad guys usually make people remember the book/film. In the film, they were definetly memorable. Gollum, the Uruk-Hai, Orcs, and even the Eye are all very different enemies, and very impressive. [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

LadyElbereth · 08-22-2002, 06:37 AM

I think the good guys are THE BEST!! but i also think that the Ringwraiths and the balrong are really cool too.

08-22-2002, 08:13 AM

Bad guys, the ringwraiths and Sauron were awsome [img]smilies/evil.gif[/img] !
I was a lil bit dissapointed about the way the orcs looked though. The Elfs also looked good, but in my eyes, a lil bit to 'perfect'.

Cheers!

Davin · 08-22-2002, 08:15 AM

When I think about it, the bad guys are 'cooler', but the good guys are 'better'.....I'm confused

Ivy of the Woods · 08-22-2002, 05:37 PM

Bad guys all the way! That Balrog was hot! [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

Arwen Imladris · 08-22-2002, 07:17 PM

Well, I like the good guys better. Especially in the movie. That is partly because the bad guys are generally old (saruman) or ugly (orcs). However, if you don't have any bad guys, you don't really have much of a story. It is the bad guys that keep you on the edge of your seat for 3 hours.

Rohirrim Lass · 08-26-2002, 01:57 PM

In the sense that you need both, I like them both. I prefer the "good guys," however. They have more character to get into.

Aramacil · 08-26-2002, 02:03 PM

I prefer the good guys, but without the bad people the good people wouldn't look that good, so I think their all important.

Craban · 08-26-2002, 02:16 PM

Well, the good guys are developed much better as characters. But _because_ Tolkien left them fairly undefined relatively speaking, I think Morgoth and Sauron and mysterious minions of theirs like Thuringwethil and the Mouth of Sauron and the Nazgul are really compelling due to sheer curiosity.

Eomer of the Rohirrim · 08-27-2002, 02:19 PM

Well I love the good guys and the bad guys because they're all so compelling.

My friend questioned me about Sauron and I said something like 'Dude! Sauron rocks!'

He said that Sauron had no redeeming qualities and I answered that he was very mighty.

Not a very good reason but he's still cool.

Davin · 08-27-2002, 02:34 PM

You don't really see much of Sauron (in the movies). I know that he is the 'big bad guy', but he doesn't have a huge role. He is an important character, but he doesn't take part in much of the action. His Orc's and other evil things do all the stuff for him, and he sits on the side lines and doesn't seem to say much.

Artilien · 08-27-2002, 03:27 PM

I like the good guys better, but what would the book be without the bad guys??? So I like the bag guys too [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] Especually Gollum... He's so cool. But still - Gimli's the coolest character in LotR [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

Kithrèna Greenarrow Legolas · 08-27-2002, 03:30 PM

Thats one thing about BEING a bad guy....You don't wanna die (Or are allready dead and can't do much because you have no psycal fourm)so you have poeple do the work for you....Kinda like being a lawyer (NO OFFENCE TO ANY1!!!)

AS for Myself? I like the good guys above all! But I do have to agree that with no bad guys, there are no good guys.
Without Hook, Peter is a guy in tights flying around with a little farrie following him, and without Golighth, David's some punk throwing pebbles!
But I like good guys above all...Typcail of Me [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img]

Elsaur · 08-27-2002, 06:55 PM

bad guys [img]smilies/evil.gif[/img] !!!!!!! duh! they are the forbidden fruit. they are what i hope to be called one day.they are the coolest. the good guys are to gung ho and semper fi.

Nevfeniel · 08-27-2002, 06:59 PM

If it weren't for the bad guys, it wouldn't be much of a book, now would it? It's the villains that make the book interesting. Would YOU want to read a book about hobbits running around all day without any real plot to the story? Of course not!

08-21-2002, 09:00 PM	#1
MallornLeaf Haunting Spirit Join Date: May 2002 Location: who cares? Posts: 76	Good Guys or Bad Guys? Out of curiosity, do you like the good guys or the bad guys better? now don't think I'm stupid-- let me explain myself. When you discuss the LOTR, do you find yourself saying, "Grond is such an awesome weapon," "that balrog was soo cool!" "did you catch the part where Melkor..." or do you say, rather, "Wow--Glorfindel was amazing!" "did you see Eerendil?" I ALWAYS thought of the good guys, but I was talking to a friend, and was said, "Oh no! It's that bad guys that make LOTR so cool!" What do you think? __________________ ". . . All we must decide is what to do with the time that is given us." "I pass the test, I will diminish, and go into the West, and remain Galadriel."

08-22-2002, 02:15 AM	#2
Evisse the Blue Brightness of a Blade Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: wherever I may roam Posts: 2,685	No, actually I think the bad guys are rather dumb most of the time - although I sometimes feel so much pity for them that I almost want them to win! - happens to me with other books, too [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img] But I think I really like Gollum - he's hilarious! [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] __________________ And no one was ill, and everyone was pleased, except those who had to mow the grass.

08-22-2002, 02:19 AM	#3
Thengise Greenleaf of Mirkwood Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Mirkwood, my kingdom Posts: 404	I think of the good guys! Yes, sometimes I do pity the bad guys, for at times it isn't their fault they are bad, But that's there part in the book so I HATE THEM! lol __________________ Thengise Greenleaf daughter of Legolas Greenleaf. My heart and soul belong to Judge Simon.

08-22-2002, 06:37 AM	#5
LadyElbereth Wight Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Taniquetil Posts: 183	I think the good guys are THE BEST!! but i also think that the Ringwraiths and the balrong are really cool too. __________________ If I could be anything, I'd be your tear, so I could be born in your eye, live down your cheek, and die on your lips.

08-22-2002, 08:15 AM	#7
Davin Wight Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 166	When I think about it, the bad guys are 'cooler', but the good guys are 'better'.....I'm confused __________________ So do all who live to see such times, but that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us. »»The Telmena««

08-22-2002, 03:44 AM	#4
Ringwraith Number Two Haunting Spirit Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Minas Morgul Posts: 75	I think the bad guys are the best. The Ringwraiths, for example. [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img] The bad guys usually make people remember the book/film. In the film, they were definetly memorable. Gollum, the Uruk-Hai, Orcs, and even the Eye are all very different enemies, and very impressive. [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

08-22-2002, 08:13 AM	#6
El Barto Guest Posts: n/a	Bad guys, the ringwraiths and Sauron were awsome [img]smilies/evil.gif[/img] ! I was a lil bit dissapointed about the way the orcs looked though. The Elfs also looked good, but in my eyes, a lil bit to 'perfect'. Cheers!

08-22-2002, 05:37 PM	#8
Ivy of the Woods Animated Skeleton Join Date: May 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 40	Bad guys all the way! That Balrog was hot! [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] __________________ ~Ivy~

08-22-2002, 07:17 PM	#9
Arwen Imladris Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In a box with a fox Posts: 1,347	Well, I like the good guys better. Especially in the movie. That is partly because the bad guys are generally old (saruman) or ugly (orcs). However, if you don't have any bad guys, you don't really have much of a story. It is the bad guys that keep you on the edge of your seat for 3 hours. __________________ "Wake up! Wake up! Wake up, sleepies, we must go, yes, we must go at once."

08-26-2002, 01:57 PM	#10
Rohirrim Lass Pile O'Bones Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Where ever... Posts: 25	In the sense that you need both, I like them both. I prefer the "good guys," however. They have more character to get into.

08-26-2002, 02:03 PM	#11
Aramacil Wight Join Date: May 2002 Location: Holland Posts: 131	I prefer the good guys, but without the bad people the good people wouldn't look that good, so I think their all important. __________________ "I will take the Ring," he said, "though I do not know the way."

08-26-2002, 02:16 PM	#12
Craban Pile O'Bones Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Dunland, USA Posts: 13	Well, the good guys are developed much better as characters. But _because_ Tolkien left them fairly undefined relatively speaking, I think Morgoth and Sauron and mysterious minions of theirs like Thuringwethil and the Mouth of Sauron and the Nazgul are really compelling due to sheer curiosity.

08-27-2002, 02:19 PM	#13
Eomer of the Rohirrim Auspicious Wraith Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,859	Well I love the good guys and the bad guys because they're all so compelling. My friend questioned me about Sauron and I said something like 'Dude! Sauron rocks!' He said that Sauron had no redeeming qualities and I answered that he was very mighty. Not a very good reason but he's still cool. __________________ Los Ingobernables de Harlond

08-27-2002, 02:34 PM	#14
Davin Wight Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 166	You don't really see much of Sauron (in the movies). I know that he is the 'big bad guy', but he doesn't have a huge role. He is an important character, but he doesn't take part in much of the action. His Orc's and other evil things do all the stuff for him, and he sits on the side lines and doesn't seem to say much. __________________ So do all who live to see such times, but that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us. »»The Telmena««

08-27-2002, 03:27 PM	#15
Artilien Pile O'Bones Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Slovenia Posts: 24	I like the good guys better, but what would the book be without the bad guys??? So I like the bag guys too [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] Especually Gollum... He's so cool. But still - Gimli's the coolest character in LotR [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] __________________ ~/Artilien\~

08-27-2002, 03:30 PM	#16
Kithrèna Greenarrow Legolas Wight Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Rivendell Posts: 144	Thats one thing about BEING a bad guy....You don't wanna die (Or are allready dead and can't do much because you have no psycal fourm)so you have poeple do the work for you....Kinda like being a lawyer (NO OFFENCE TO ANY1!!!) AS for Myself? I like the good guys above all! But I do have to agree that with no bad guys, there are no good guys. Without Hook, Peter is a guy in tights flying around with a little farrie following him, and without Golighth, David's some punk throwing pebbles! But I like good guys above all...Typcail of Me [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img] __________________ Mess with Me and I'll grab Sam Gamgee by the heels and beat you over the head with him! Me: The Anti-Leggy-bopper :)

08-27-2002, 06:55 PM	#17
Elsaur Pile O'Bones Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: ????????????/ Posts: 17	bad guys [img]smilies/evil.gif[/img] !!!!!!! duh! they are the forbidden fruit. they are what i hope to be called one day.they are the coolest. the good guys are to gung ho and semper fi. __________________ i can't take his money, i can't print my own money, i have to work for money.why don't i just die?

08-27-2002, 06:59 PM	#18
Nevfeniel Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Mithlond Posts: 783	If it weren't for the bad guys, it wouldn't be much of a book, now would it? It's the villains that make the book interesting. Would YOU want to read a book about hobbits running around all day without any real plot to the story? Of course not! __________________ Consider the purr a variety of audible tranquilizer. [. . .] For a few of us, there is one more purr, a secret purr. When we combine our secret purrs, we produce the Purr of Power. And that is simply the amplified amity we feel as furred and purred beings.