Siily Poll: Sindar Style - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Elu Ancalime · 02-22-2006, 09:08 PM

This is a kind of sequel to Fordim Hedgethistle's revival of the poll on Favorite High King of the Noldor.

Who is your favorite Sinda ruler? Feel free to advocate for lesser elves.

Personally, I particularly like Thingol. He is an old-school ruler (since he was one of the first). He dosnt let his daughter mess around with just any fellow, and he is passionate about his realm and the Sindar Culture.

EDIT: Whoa...it didnt make a poll...ok...
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Eomer of the Rohirrim · 02-23-2006, 10:16 AM

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Anguirel · 02-23-2006, 10:34 AM

However, I don't see why we shouldn't argue the question anyway, poll or no poll-it interests me.

The Sindar don't seem to have been as keen on formal Kings as the Noldor, preferring to be all, broadly speaking, under Thingol's protection. Elu has it right when he says "Sinda ruler".

I will list those who, in my opinion, qualify.

Thingol
Dior (sort of thing)
Elwing (sort of thing)
Celeborn
Cirdan
Eol (debatable)
Amdir
Amroth
Oropher
Thranduil
Legolas (just about)

Of these, Thingol is much the greatest as well as the first, but I don't have quite as high an opinion of him as I used to. His power does rely to quite some extent on Melian's.

Dior and Elwing...do they count? Don't like either particularly, really.

Celeborn was a reliable and extremely long-lasting ruler. He's sort of the Gil-Galad of the contest-not all that dramatic, but you'd feel safest living under his rule.

Cirdan is a similar sort. He provided a haven, but not really a standard. I never pictured him as possessing military prowess, which Celeborn certainly did.

Amroth seems to have undoubtedly lacked a vocation for kingship...

As for the wild Mirkwood crowd-Silvan though they might have become culturally, they didn't forget their roots. Thranduil's Mirkwood is a truer heir to Thingol's Doriath than Celeborn's Lorien. Thranduil kept a beleaguered kingdom together in the face of the Shadow, and deserves a good deal of credit for that.

Legolas had it pretty easy, what with peace on earth and goodwill spread all over the place.

To go back a tad earlier...Eol? He maintained his isolated woody knoll well, I suppose. His swords were impressive, his fathering less so. Can we call him a ruler?

Elu Ancalime · 02-23-2006, 04:42 PM

Really? Only Fordim, huh? Well, I guess that explains why I couldnt find that button....hmm...maybe an addendum to the FAQ?
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Aiwendil · 02-23-2006, 04:50 PM

Well, not only Fordim. Just say the word and I'll post a poll on this, if you like.

Elu Ancalime · 02-23-2006, 05:10 PM

word to Aiwendil! Ha, I couldnt help myself. I would really appreciate it too. This might start a big series...Im surprised this hasnt been touched on before in other categories!
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Fordim Hedgethistle · 02-24-2006, 12:18 PM

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Elu Ancalime · 02-24-2006, 08:21 PM

Eek! Sounds like Florida..too bad I live there.

Thinking about Cirdan, I myself would be glad to be nuder such a ruler. From what we know of him, he is obviously wise, being from back in the day(he was born or awakened at Cuivenen, wasnt he?) and had been through the wars of the First Age, the rise and fall of Numenor, and the domination of Sauron across Eriador, and throughout the fall of the Arnor and its successor kingdoms. Although not militarily strong, he seemed to know how to set a good defense: the towers built west of the Narog pointed that he seemed to know how to protect his people, even if Melkor having a navy was a little 'off.' His motif of living by the sea really was a protection. At few times did the Enemy reach elven shores, and then the elves had ships to fly to, and as Balar as an example, had places to go. Also, the fact he was given a Ring of Power is strong. And that he surrendured it without any pre-intention suggests that he had a strong willpower.
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Raynor · 02-25-2006, 03:16 AM

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he was born or awakened at Cuivenen, wasnt he?

I wouldn't say so; in Quendi and Eldar, HoME XI, it is said that:

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Eru had so ordained that each should lie beside his or her 'destined spouse'

and we know of no spouse of Cirdan; furthermore, in the same text, he is said to be of the kin of Elwe:

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Elwe himself had indeed long and beautiful hair of silver hue, but this does not seem to have been a common feature of the Sindar, though it was found among them occasionally, especially in the nearer or remoter kin of Elwe (as in the case of Cirdan).

now, the wife of Elwe was Melian the maia, not an elf spouse, therefore neither he was of the original 77 Unbegotten elf males. Of course, this leaves us with the possibility that Cirdan is an Unbegotten forefather of Elwe, but it is pretty doubtful that they survived at the time of the Great Journey, seeing that their control of their fea was rather dimminished.

Bêthberry · 02-25-2006, 08:39 AM

You can find the poll Aiwendil put up for Elu Ancalime here . You can vote there too, and put up your dukes and all that kind of silly poll stuff.

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02-22-2006, 09:08 PM	#1
Elu Ancalime Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Anador Posts: 476	Silly Poll: Sindar Style This is a kind of sequel to Fordim Hedgethistle's revival of the poll on Favorite High King of the Noldor. Who is your favorite Sinda ruler? Feel free to advocate for lesser elves. Personally, I particularly like Thingol. He is an old-school ruler (since he was one of the first). He dosnt let his daughter mess around with just any fellow, and he is passionate about his realm and the Sindar Culture. EDIT: Whoa...it didnt make a poll...ok... ________ MIDDLE EASTERN RECIPES Last edited by Elu Ancalime; 03-03-2011 at 11:12 PM.

02-23-2006, 10:16 AM	#2
Eomer of the Rohirrim Auspicious Wraith Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,859	Only Fordim can make polls on the Downs. He has arranged the settings so that whenever anyone else attempts a poll it fails for no apparent reason. You can't fight city hall, so don't even try. __________________ Los Ingobernables de Harlond

02-23-2006, 10:34 AM	#3
Anguirel Byronic Brand Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The 1590s Posts: 2,778	However, I don't see why we shouldn't argue the question anyway, poll or no poll-it interests me. The Sindar don't seem to have been as keen on formal Kings as the Noldor, preferring to be all, broadly speaking, under Thingol's protection. Elu has it right when he says "Sinda ruler". I will list those who, in my opinion, qualify. Thingol Dior (sort of thing) Elwing (sort of thing) Celeborn Cirdan Eol (debatable) Amdir Amroth Oropher Thranduil Legolas (just about) Of these, Thingol is much the greatest as well as the first, but I don't have quite as high an opinion of him as I used to. His power does rely to quite some extent on Melian's. Dior and Elwing...do they count? Don't like either particularly, really. Celeborn was a reliable and extremely long-lasting ruler. He's sort of the Gil-Galad of the contest-not all that dramatic, but you'd feel safest living under his rule. Cirdan is a similar sort. He provided a haven, but not really a standard. I never pictured him as possessing military prowess, which Celeborn certainly did. Amroth seems to have undoubtedly lacked a vocation for kingship... As for the wild Mirkwood crowd-Silvan though they might have become culturally, they didn't forget their roots. Thranduil's Mirkwood is a truer heir to Thingol's Doriath than Celeborn's Lorien. Thranduil kept a beleaguered kingdom together in the face of the Shadow, and deserves a good deal of credit for that. Legolas had it pretty easy, what with peace on earth and goodwill spread all over the place. To go back a tad earlier...Eol? He maintained his isolated woody knoll well, I suppose. His swords were impressive, his fathering less so. Can we call him a ruler? __________________ Among the friendly dead, being bad at games did not seem to matter -Il Lupo Fenriso

02-23-2006, 04:42 PM	#4
Elu Ancalime Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Anador Posts: 476	Really? Only Fordim, huh? Well, I guess that explains why I couldnt find that button....hmm...maybe an addendum to the FAQ? ________ VOLCANO VAPORIZERS Last edited by Elu Ancalime; 03-03-2011 at 11:12 PM.

02-23-2006, 05:10 PM	#6
Elu Ancalime Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Anador Posts: 476	word to Aiwendil! Ha, I couldnt help myself. I would really appreciate it too. This might start a big series...Im surprised this hasnt been touched on before in other categories! ________ Dodge copperhead history Last edited by Elu Ancalime; 03-03-2011 at 11:12 PM.

02-23-2006, 04:50 PM	#5
Aiwendil Late Istar Join Date: Mar 2001 Posts: 2,224	Well, not only Fordim. Just say the word and I'll post a poll on this, if you like.

02-24-2006, 08:21 PM	#8
Elu Ancalime Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Anador Posts: 476	Eek! Sounds like Florida..too bad I live there. Thinking about Cirdan, I myself would be glad to be nuder such a ruler. From what we know of him, he is obviously wise, being from back in the day(he was born or awakened at Cuivenen, wasnt he?) and had been through the wars of the First Age, the rise and fall of Numenor, and the domination of Sauron across Eriador, and throughout the fall of the Arnor and its successor kingdoms. Although not militarily strong, he seemed to know how to set a good defense: the towers built west of the Narog pointed that he seemed to know how to protect his people, even if Melkor having a navy was a little 'off.' His motif of living by the sea really was a protection. At few times did the Enemy reach elven shores, and then the elves had ships to fly to, and as Balar as an example, had places to go. Also, the fact he was given a Ring of Power is strong. And that he surrendured it without any pre-intention suggests that he had a strong willpower. ________ EASYVAPE VAPORIZER Last edited by Elu Ancalime; 03-03-2011 at 11:14 PM.

02-25-2006, 08:39 AM	#10
Bêthberry Cryptic Aura Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 5,997	Vote early but not often You can find the poll Aiwendil put up for Elu Ancalime here . You can vote there too, and put up your dukes and all that kind of silly poll stuff. This Annoucement brought to you by the Hobbits For Fair and Just Voting in All Constituencies of Middle-earth __________________ I’ll sing his roots off. I’ll sing a wind up and blow leaf and branch away.