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Anguirel · 12-01-2005, 01:51 PM

I embrace them too; because no one else will.

Besides, the Master's one of the most representative human figures in Tolkien, and the sole representative of the merchant bourgeousie, a class from which half of me springs, the sharper, cannier half (not saying that much...) I want the Master to stay for the sake of political satire if nothing else...

Eonwe · 12-01-2005, 02:16 PM

merchant bourgeousie, huh? more like thieving rouge if you ask me.

Anguirel · 12-01-2005, 02:22 PM

Many indeed have equated those terms! Ah, Marx, what damage though hast wrought (pace Rune)...

Lalaith · 12-01-2005, 03:55 PM

Thieving rouge, was he? That's more grist to the mill....

Anguirel · 12-01-2005, 04:00 PM

Eonwe, you're, groan, mixing him up with Legolas...

Meneltarmacil · 12-01-2005, 04:06 PM

I stick to what I said earlier. These redundant dwarves have got to go, and fast with While Thrain, Fundin and the other ancestors probably have some insight to offer and several of the dwarves on the Quest contributed a lot, there are still some who are downright useless (Ori was one of these then, but he did redeem himself by going to Moria later).

In order from most helpful/important to "useless guy just along for the ride" in my opinion, the thirteen Dwarves from the Quest (Moria factored in):

Thorin
Balin
Gloin
Dori
Oin
Ori (voted off)
Fili
Bombur
Dwalin
Kili
Bifur
Bofur (voted off)
Nori

As Nori is dead last in terms of usefulness, having very few lines and contributing pretty much nothing,

++Nori

**The Saucepan Man** · 12-01-2005, 07:45 PM

++ NORI

Same reasons as yesterday. It is a scandal that his more adventurous brother was voted out before him.

Once he's gone, I might consider looking to tribes other than the Dwarves. But I'll not stand by idly while the wonderfully comedic Stone Trolls are victimised (the show needs as much humour as it can get). And, as far as the Master is concerned, I'm with Anguirel. He built Esgaroth up to be a place of great prosperity, in which all of its citizens shared. And, even if he did share in it to a greater degree than others, he had earned the right to do so by virtue of his contribution to creating the wealth in the first place. His entrepreneurship should be applauded, not castigated. Bilbo, while a noble fellow and a talented teller of tales did make the unfortunate mistake of portraying only one side of the Master's persona.

**The Saucepan Man** · 12-01-2005, 07:46 PM

Ai! Just realised my vote could result in the Master being evicted on a tie.

-- NORI
++ DURIN

In an attempt to save the Master - for the reasons stated above.

Formendacil · 12-01-2005, 07:50 PM

As much as I despise the Master, he's good for the ratings, and the Dwarves still need some culling.

What's more, their is, in fact, good reason for evicting Nori.

As everybody interested in Dwarves knows, the names of the Dwarves as we know them are not their true, secret names in Khuzdul, but rather, they are names adopted in the fashion of the surrounding Mannish languages (in this case, Old Norse) for the purposes of identification in the greater world.

I wish to point out to you the great similarity in sounds be "Nori" and "Snori". One could easily say that "Nori" is a shortening of "Snori", which is this Dwarf's actual outer name. Now, the reason for the adoption of "Snori" as this Dwarf's outer name has to do with his abrasive-sounding breathing when at sleep, but even more because of his fondness for sleep itself.

Clearly, this is a most lazy and annoying Dwarf, and should really be removed.

++(s)Nori

12-01-2005, 01:51 PM	#1
Anguirel Byronic Brand Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The 1590s Posts: 2,778	I embrace them too; because no one else will. Besides, the Master's one of the most representative human figures in Tolkien, and the sole representative of the merchant bourgeousie, a class from which half of me springs, the sharper, cannier half (not saying that much...) I want the Master to stay for the sake of political satire if nothing else... __________________ Among the friendly dead, being bad at games did not seem to matter -Il Lupo Fenriso

12-01-2005, 02:16 PM	#2
Eonwe Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: In a world grown ever smaller. Posts: 678	merchant bourgeousie, huh? more like thieving rouge if you ask me. __________________ I've got bridge club on Wednesday, Archery on Thursday, Dancing on a Friday night!

12-01-2005, 02:22 PM	#3
Anguirel Byronic Brand Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The 1590s Posts: 2,778	Many indeed have equated those terms! Ah, Marx, what damage though hast wrought (pace Rune)... __________________ Among the friendly dead, being bad at games did not seem to matter -Il Lupo Fenriso

12-01-2005, 03:55 PM	#4
Lalaith Blithe Spirit Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,779	Thieving rouge, was he? That's more grist to the mill.... __________________ Out went the candle, and we were left darkling

12-01-2005, 04:00 PM	#5
Anguirel Byronic Brand Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The 1590s Posts: 2,778	Eonwe, you're, groan, mixing him up with Legolas... __________________ Among the friendly dead, being bad at games did not seem to matter -Il Lupo Fenriso

12-01-2005, 04:06 PM	#6
Meneltarmacil Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: The bottom of the ocean, discussing philosophy with a giant squid Posts: 2,254	I stick to what I said earlier. These redundant dwarves have got to go, and fast with While Thrain, Fundin and the other ancestors probably have some insight to offer and several of the dwarves on the Quest contributed a lot, there are still some who are downright useless (Ori was one of these then, but he did redeem himself by going to Moria later). In order from most helpful/important to "useless guy just along for the ride" in my opinion, the thirteen Dwarves from the Quest (Moria factored in): Thorin Balin Gloin Dori Oin Ori (voted off) Fili Bombur Dwalin Kili Bifur Bofur (voted off) Nori As Nori is dead last in terms of usefulness, having very few lines and contributing pretty much nothing, ++Nori __________________ I ♣ baby seals.

12-01-2005, 07:45 PM	#7
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	++ NORI Same reasons as yesterday. It is a scandal that his more adventurous brother was voted out before him. Once he's gone, I might consider looking to tribes other than the Dwarves. But I'll not stand by idly while the wonderfully comedic Stone Trolls are victimised (the show needs as much humour as it can get). And, as far as the Master is concerned, I'm with Anguirel. He built Esgaroth up to be a place of great prosperity, in which all of its citizens shared. And, even if he did share in it to a greater degree than others, he had earned the right to do so by virtue of his contribution to creating the wealth in the first place. His entrepreneurship should be applauded, not castigated. Bilbo, while a noble fellow and a talented teller of tales did make the unfortunate mistake of portraying only one side of the Master's persona. __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

12-01-2005, 07:46 PM	#8
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	Ai! Just realised my vote could result in the Master being evicted on a tie. -- NORI ++ DURIN In an attempt to save the Master - for the reasons stated above. __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

12-01-2005, 07:50 PM	#9
Formendacil Dead Serious Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Perched on Thangorodrim's towers. Posts: 3,326	As much as I despise the Master, he's good for the ratings, and the Dwarves still need some culling. What's more, their is, in fact, good reason for evicting Nori. As everybody interested in Dwarves knows, the names of the Dwarves as we know them are not their true, secret names in Khuzdul, but rather, they are names adopted in the fashion of the surrounding Mannish languages (in this case, Old Norse) for the purposes of identification in the greater world. I wish to point out to you the great similarity in sounds be "Nori" and "Snori". One could easily say that "Nori" is a shortening of "Snori", which is this Dwarf's actual outer name. Now, the reason for the adoption of "Snori" as this Dwarf's outer name has to do with his abrasive-sounding breathing when at sleep, but even more because of his fondness for sleep itself. Clearly, this is a most lazy and annoying Dwarf, and should really be removed. ++(s)Nori __________________ I prefer history, true or feigned.