What happened to Sam? - Page 2 - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Yavanna228 · 06-24-2003, 09:39 AM

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I think there are several references in LOTR about various individuals who have died and gone to the "halls of their fathers" or something along those lines

Well, if their fathers went to the Timeless Halls, the Halls would become known as the 'halls of their fathers.' But perhaps that's what you meant. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]
A bit of an aside here, since the Rohirrim were much like the Scandinavian peoples, would they believe in something like a Valhalla? Maybe that would be their perception of the Timeless Halls, since men of that time were not wholly 'in tune' with the goings on of the afterlife, at least, as it pertains to Valinor. Just blind speculation on my part. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]
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Faramir Fan · 06-26-2003, 08:02 AM

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"Farewell Master Holbytla" he said "my body is broken. I go to my fathers. And even in their mighty company I shall now not be ashamed."

That was what Theoden said to Merry before he died, so it seems there was some belief in an afterlife in the realm of men. Probably similar to our own...

Elanor the Fair · 01-24-2004, 04:27 PM

I think that when Sam left that he found Froto who had became inmotal, but Sam did not become inmortal. So that he ould be with Rosie some day. So that way Sam would see Froto one more time before he died.

Lost One · 01-24-2004, 06:20 PM

I think the nearest Tolkien gave to an answer are Aragorn's last words: 'Behold! we are not bound for ever to the circles of the world, and beyond them is more than memory. Farewell!'. This was cold comfort to Arwen, however.

Essex · 01-27-2004, 01:21 PM

To answer the original query on this Topic, Tolkien DID write some more about Sam in the Epilouge to LOTR, but was prompted to remove this last part of the book before publication, so he decided to end on "Well, I'm Back,".

It's included in Sauron Defeated, one of the Histories books that Christopher Tolkien editied. It's good. Take a look if you can. I have got the text on my PC, but I'm unsure whether you can post whole sections of books!

01-24-2004, 04:27 PM	#43
Elanor the Fair Pile O'Bones Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 17	I think that when Sam left that he found Froto who had became inmotal, but Sam did not become inmortal. So that he ould be with Rosie some day. So that way Sam would see Froto one more time before he died. __________________ "I ain't been droping no eves sir, honest."

01-24-2004, 06:20 PM	#44
Lost One Haunting Spirit Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 67	I think the nearest Tolkien gave to an answer are Aragorn's last words: 'Behold! we are not bound for ever to the circles of the world, and beyond them is more than memory. Farewell!'. This was cold comfort to Arwen, however.

01-27-2004, 01:21 PM	#45
Essex Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Essex, England Posts: 886	To answer the original query on this Topic, Tolkien DID write some more about Sam in the Epilouge to LOTR, but was prompted to remove this last part of the book before publication, so he decided to end on "Well, I'm Back,". It's included in Sauron Defeated, one of the Histories books that Christopher Tolkien editied. It's good. Take a look if you can. I have got the text on my PC, but I'm unsure whether you can post whole sections of books!