Elrond's name - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Eomer of the Rohirrim · 07-23-2002, 06:41 AM

Why is Elrond called Halfelven? His mother Elwing was an Elf and his father Earendil was half-elf, half-man.

Shouldn't he be called Elrond Threequarterelven?

Aldagrim Proudfoot · 07-23-2002, 08:02 AM

Well, I had thought about that too, but that's too long, and if you have a mix of two races, you might as well be half-and- half.

burrahobbit · 07-23-2002, 09:51 AM

I bet cause "Elrond Mostly-elven" sounds a bit silly.

The Silver-shod Muse · 07-23-2002, 10:16 AM

I briefly considered that discrepancy, but didn't really think that it was worth discussing as the answer would inevitably come down to "because Tolkien said so".

LOL: Elrond Threequarterelven [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

O'Boile · 07-23-2002, 11:01 AM

Actually, if you want to get technical, Elrond is also part Maia, as his great-grandmother (I think that is the right number of generations) was a Maia.

Rimbaud · 07-23-2002, 11:05 AM

Michael Jackson is a black pop artist; Elrond is Half-Elven. That's life, folks.

Elrian · 07-23-2002, 05:25 PM

Lets see: Luthien>Dior>Elwing, ah looks like Elwing was not all Elven. [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img]

Belin · 07-23-2002, 05:53 PM

Yes, this could be much more complicated, what are we thinking? [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

According to my calculations, Elwing was one half elf on her mother's side, and one quarter Man, one eighth Elf, and one eighth Maia on her father's side, meaning that in all she was five-eighths elven. Elrond, then (if by some freakish chance my math is right) was 3/8 Man, 1/16 Maia, and 9/16 Elf. Ninesixteenthselven sounds even worse than Threequarterselven, though... let's just say half. It's close enough, isn't it??

--Belin Ibaimendi

Eomer of the Rohirrim · 07-24-2002, 07:02 AM

That's some impressive mathematical thought. How about.....Lord Elrond?

Orofacion of the Vanyar · 07-24-2002, 07:19 AM

Perhaps you are being too technical. It's as simple as this:

Elwing and Earendil are both more or less half-elven. Their children (Elros and Elrond) would be the same. And just like everyone else said, why would Tolkien name someone with such a precocious label as "fiveeighthselven"?

[ July 24, 2002: Message edited by: Orofacion of the Vanyar ]

07-23-2002, 06:41 AM	#1
Eomer of the Rohirrim Auspicious Wraith Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,859	Elrond's name Why is Elrond called Halfelven? His mother Elwing was an Elf and his father Earendil was half-elf, half-man. Shouldn't he be called Elrond Threequarterelven? __________________ Los Ingobernables de Harlond

07-23-2002, 08:02 AM	#2
Aldagrim Proudfoot Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hobbiton Posts: 328	Well, I had thought about that too, but that's too long, and if you have a mix of two races, you might as well be half-and- half. __________________ I do not suffer from insanity. I enjoy every minute of it!

07-23-2002, 09:51 AM	#3
burrahobbit Hidden Spirit Join Date: May 2000 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 1,424	I bet cause "Elrond Mostly-elven" sounds a bit silly. __________________ What's a burrahobbit got to do with my pocket, anyways?

07-23-2002, 10:16 AM	#4
The Silver-shod Muse Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: The shoulder of a poet, TX Posts: 388	I briefly considered that discrepancy, but didn't really think that it was worth discussing as the answer would inevitably come down to "because Tolkien said so". LOL: Elrond Threequarterelven [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] __________________ "'You," he said, "tell her all. What good came to you? Do you rejoice that Maleldil became a man? Tell her of your joys, and of what profit you had when you made Maleldil and death acquainted.'" -Perelandra, by C.S. Lewis

07-23-2002, 11:05 AM	#6
Rimbaud The Perilous Poet Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Heart of the matter Posts: 1,062	Michael Jackson is a black pop artist; Elrond is Half-Elven. That's life, folks. __________________ And all the rest is literature

07-23-2002, 11:01 AM	#5
O'Boile Wight Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 117	Actually, if you want to get technical, Elrond is also part Maia, as his great-grandmother (I think that is the right number of generations) was a Maia.

07-23-2002, 05:25 PM	#7
Elrian Eldar Spirit of Truth Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Land of the FREE, Home of the BRAVE Posts: 794	Lets see: Luthien>Dior>Elwing, ah looks like Elwing was not all Elven. [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img] __________________ ~Call me a relic, call me what you will. Say I'm old fashioned , say I'm over the hill. That old whine ain't got no soul. I'll stick to Old Toby and a Hobbit hole.~

07-23-2002, 05:53 PM	#8
Belin Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: all the wide unfriendly pathways of the world Posts: 330	Yes, this could be much more complicated, what are we thinking? [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] According to my calculations, Elwing was one half elf on her mother's side, and one quarter Man, one eighth Elf, and one eighth Maia on her father's side, meaning that in all she was five-eighths elven. Elrond, then (if by some freakish chance my math is right) was 3/8 Man, 1/16 Maia, and 9/16 Elf. Ninesixteenthselven sounds even worse than Threequarterselven, though... let's just say half. It's close enough, isn't it?? --Belin Ibaimendi __________________ "I hate dignity," cried Scraps, kicking a pebble high in the air and then trying to catch it as it fell. "Half the fools and all the wise folks are dignified, and I'm neither the one nor the other." --L. Frank Baum

07-24-2002, 07:02 AM	#9
Eomer of the Rohirrim Auspicious Wraith Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,859	That's some impressive mathematical thought. How about.....Lord Elrond? __________________ Los Ingobernables de Harlond

07-24-2002, 07:19 AM	#10
Orofacion of the Vanyar Wight Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Clayton, NC Posts: 102	Perhaps you are being too technical. It's as simple as this: Elwing and Earendil are both more or less half-elven. Their children (Elros and Elrond) would be the same. And just like everyone else said, why would Tolkien name someone with such a precocious label as "fiveeighthselven"? [ July 24, 2002: Message edited by: Orofacion of the Vanyar ]