Question - Silm and BoLT2 - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Joy · 03-26-2002, 12:47 AM

I am reading the Tale of Tinùviel in each book that it is mentioned in together.

I have noticed some seeming descripancies.

One is Tinùviel's mother. The Sil calls her Melian yet BoLT2 calls her Gwendeling and her father Tinwë Linto. I can see the change from Quenya to Sindarian for Tinwë Linto to Thingol though.

Another question is about Angamandi. Is this Angband? Also, Is Angband the same place as Angmar?

Amarinth · 03-26-2002, 06:29 AM

hi joy! i can only answer the last question: they're not. off my head, and pretty sure no need for me to explain but will [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img], angmar is the witch-realm which the lord of the nazgul, one of the nine, originally reigned. angmar was joined by rhudaur to destroy cardolan and arthedain, the last three the divisions of the original kingdom of arnor. it doesn't come into being until the third age. angband is different-- it's the stronghold of morgoth and has lots of pits where thralls and captives are tortured and imprisoned. it was destro--oops! i think i'll stop here.

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Voronwe · 03-26-2002, 10:39 AM

The stories in Lost Tales are the very earliest drafts of what later grew into the Silmarillion. Tolkien changed at lot of things before he wrote the version that was published in the Silmarillion - and not just names; in some cases entire plots were completely reworked. For example, Sauron's predecessor in the Tale of Tinuviel was a cat!.

***Sharkû*** · 03-26-2002, 10:43 AM

Reading CJRT's annotations and commentaries solves all those problems nicely, btw.

03-26-2002, 12:47 AM	#1
Joy Spirit of a Warrior Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Wandering Posts: 1,012	Question - Silm and BoLT2 I am reading the Tale of Tinùviel in each book that it is mentioned in together. I have noticed some seeming descripancies. One is Tinùviel's mother. The Sil calls her Melian yet BoLT2 calls her Gwendeling and her father Tinwë Linto. I can see the change from Quenya to Sindarian for Tinwë Linto to Thingol though. Another question is about Angamandi. Is this Angband? Also, Is Angband the same place as Angmar? __________________ God bless, Joy KingdomWarrior@hotmail.com http://kingdomWarrior.jlym.com As the hart panteth after the water brooks, so panteth my soul after thee, O God. My soul thirsteth for God, for the living God: when shall I come and appear before God?

03-26-2002, 06:29 AM	#2
Amarinth Wight Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: realm of agonized volcanoes Posts: 113	hi joy! i can only answer the last question: they're not. off my head, and pretty sure no need for me to explain but will [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img], angmar is the witch-realm which the lord of the nazgul, one of the nine, originally reigned. angmar was joined by rhudaur to destroy cardolan and arthedain, the last three the divisions of the original kingdom of arnor. it doesn't come into being until the third age. angband is different-- it's the stronghold of morgoth and has lots of pits where thralls and captives are tortured and imprisoned. it was destro--oops! i think i'll stop here. --------------------------------------------- every man's life is a path to the truth -- hesse __________________ pity this busy monster,manunkind, not / -progress is a comfortable disease;/ your victim (death and life safely beyond) / plays with the bigness of his littleness ---ee cummings

03-26-2002, 10:39 AM	#3
Voronwe Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Gondolin Posts: 413	The stories in Lost Tales are the very earliest drafts of what later grew into the Silmarillion. Tolkien changed at lot of things before he wrote the version that was published in the Silmarillion - and not just names; in some cases entire plots were completely reworked. For example, Sauron's predecessor in the Tale of Tinuviel was a cat!. __________________ "If you would be a real seeker after truth, you must at least once in your life doubt, as far as possible, all things." -- René Descartes

03-26-2002, 10:43 AM	#4
*Sharkû* Hungry Ghoul Join Date: Jun 2000 Posts: 1,719	Reading CJRT's annotations and commentaries solves all those problems nicely, btw.