The Squint-Eyed Southerner - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Eomer of the Rohirrim · 09-05-2002, 12:41 PM

In Unfinished tales, there is a small part about the Black Riders questioning the man who turned out to be the Squint-Eyed Southerner in Bree. Now, Tolkien wrote many versions of what happened on the Ringwraiths road to Hobbiton and this particular example is not necessarily accurate, but still.

It's not the overall questioning or his work for Saruman that I'm discussing, it's the apparent fact that the Southerner is an outcast of Dunland. The reason for this was because the man had "Orc blood"

Now I am assuming this history of the man to be true, if anyone knows that it is false then please tell me. My question is this. The Dunlendings clearly hated Orcs as well as the Rohirrim. No matter how skillful Saruman was, how in the world did he get the Dunlendings to fight side by side with Orcs?

Manwe Sulimo · 09-05-2002, 01:00 PM

And so, with Aracorn son of Arakorn and Arwren daughter of Elrob, the sundered lines of the Peredyrch, the Half-Orcish, were reunited, and....

Sorry..."temporary" memory lapse.

Uhh....they hated the Rohirrim even more than the Orcs or them newfangled Uruk-hai guys. And Saruman probably promised them Edoras or something in return for their service.

Rosseiliantiel · 09-05-2002, 08:11 PM

Sauron's favourite weapon: Bribing 'weak mortals' with power, etc. Some people will do ANYTHING for power [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img]

Eol · 09-06-2002, 10:23 AM

Um what the person above me said.

It should not be too hard to conside crossing sides if you bump the images out of your head.

Have you ever seen shows where they bribe people to do something outragous for a dollar. Pretty sad huh? Well it is the same logic, bribe people with something that really has little value to do something outragous. In middle-earth, fight with Saurman and he will reward you for your loyality. Sounds like a bargin with the devil?

09-05-2002, 12:41 PM	#1
Eomer of the Rohirrim Auspicious Wraith Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,859	The Squint-Eyed Southerner In Unfinished tales, there is a small part about the Black Riders questioning the man who turned out to be the Squint-Eyed Southerner in Bree. Now, Tolkien wrote many versions of what happened on the Ringwraiths road to Hobbiton and this particular example is not necessarily accurate, but still. It's not the overall questioning or his work for Saruman that I'm discussing, it's the apparent fact that the Southerner is an outcast of Dunland. The reason for this was because the man had "Orc blood" Now I am assuming this history of the man to be true, if anyone knows that it is false then please tell me. My question is this. The Dunlendings clearly hated Orcs as well as the Rohirrim. No matter how skillful Saruman was, how in the world did he get the Dunlendings to fight side by side with Orcs? __________________ Los Ingobernables de Harlond

09-05-2002, 01:00 PM	#2
Manwe Sulimo Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Taurelilómëa-tumbalemorna Tumbaletaurëa Lómëanor Posts: 553	And so, with Aracorn son of Arakorn and Arwren daughter of Elrob, the sundered lines of the Peredyrch, the Half-Orcish, were reunited, and.... Sorry..."temporary" memory lapse. Uhh....they hated the Rohirrim even more than the Orcs or them newfangled Uruk-hai guys. And Saruman probably promised them Edoras or something in return for their service. __________________ "Monkeys learn sign language so they can tell the dolphins they love them."

09-05-2002, 08:11 PM	#3
Rosseiliantiel Wight Join Date: May 2002 Location: Hopelessly lost Posts: 174	Sauron's favourite weapon: Bribing 'weak mortals' with power, etc. Some people will do ANYTHING for power [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img] __________________ Whatever floats your oyster.

09-06-2002, 10:23 AM	#4
Eol Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: The Pacific Northwest - Tir Nan Og Posts: 306	Um what the person above me said. It should not be too hard to conside crossing sides if you bump the images out of your head. Have you ever seen shows where they bribe people to do something outragous for a dollar. Pretty sad huh? Well it is the same logic, bribe people with something that really has little value to do something outragous. In middle-earth, fight with Saurman and he will reward you for your loyality. Sounds like a bargin with the devil? __________________ Mes sana in corpec sano- (lt.) A sound mind in a sound body