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Anorien · 03-15-2003, 12:54 AM

help me!! i need to do a book critique for the lost tales, and i am lost! if you find any themes, motifs, character thingies, and stuff like that, it would be very helpful!!! thank you all!

Inderjit Sanghera · 03-15-2003, 08:53 AM

Here you go:
http://forodrim.letsrock.nu/daeron/md_hm.html

Anorien · 03-17-2003, 07:21 PM

Ohhhh!! thank you sooooo much!! anyone else?
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The Squatter of Amon Rûdh · 03-18-2003, 06:03 AM

A thorough reading of the Lost Tales ought to furnish their themes, not to mention a good read all in the name of work. By and large they detail the earliest conception of the myths that became the Silmarillion, at this initial stage still intended as a new mythology for England. Some of the descriptions are the most complete that Tolkien ever gave, as with the account of the fall of Gondolin. Each tale has its own theme, as with any mythology, so it's difficult to give a short explanation of what it's all about, but an examination of the key legends would probably be the best approach for a short report, perhaps with a brief examination of the issue of Eriol. This material could be tied in to the poem Kortirion in the Trees to furnish an interesting discussion of the way in which the original conception of the Tales sets up the two main British islands (the current United Kingdom and Ireland) to be two halves of Tol Eressëa, so that certain English towns, such as Warwick, become locations within the legends. The association of the stories in the Lost Tales with England specifically and explicitly is at the very heart of Tolkien's original ambition for his legends, and it's interesting that this theme was abandoned in later writings.

I hope that helps a little.

**lindil** · 03-18-2003, 08:52 AM

Excellent offering as always Squatting One.

but I would, especially for the sake of the aforementioned 'critique', alter

Quote:

this theme was abandoned in later writings.

to something indicating that the original English 'history' theme was in a sense transformed into the Hobbits and the Shire 'representing' England and that the idea still remained in the end of the entire Legendarium that eveolved out of Lost Tales i.e. The Hobbit. LotR and the chaos of wonder that was compressed into 'the Silmarillion' still was seen as a faux pre-history of Northern/Western Europe.

also Anorien if you dig up Aiwendil's PM on the TftE forum he has written a precis of Aelfwine/Eriol that may be of some use to you.

Big project for a short amount of time.

I wish you far more success on your paper than I had on a similar accasion in my last year of HS.

I was trying to write my final report in English on the relationship between Zen and the Elves. I ended up wandering through some as yet unexplored woodlands with my best friend [posting here occasionaly as] Thorondil instead. Funny,I just realized I am in a way I am still working on it [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] though I would replace the Zen as pect with the Saints.

03-15-2003, 12:54 AM	#1
Anorien Wight Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Old Navy of Rohan Posts: 138	lost in the lost tales help me!! i need to do a book critique for the lost tales, and i am lost! if you find any themes, motifs, character thingies, and stuff like that, it would be very helpful!!! thank you all! __________________ FRODO: all low and retarded Oh Mr. Frodo, do you have any more food? Here eat mine, I’m so fat. How about I carry the ring for you. It’s soooo pretty, I mean heavy! SAM: Why you little-! FRODO: You asked for it!

03-15-2003, 08:53 AM	#2
Inderjit Sanghera Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Wolverhampton, England Posts: 716	Here you go: http://forodrim.letsrock.nu/daeron/md_hm.html __________________ “If I’m more of an influence on your son as a rapper then you are as a father then you've got to look at yourself as a parent” ~>Ice Cube. "Life is so beautiful"->Don Vito Corleone

03-17-2003, 07:21 PM	#3
Anorien Wight Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Old Navy of Rohan Posts: 138	Ohhhh!! thank you sooooo much!! anyone else? [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] __________________ FRODO: all low and retarded Oh Mr. Frodo, do you have any more food? Here eat mine, I’m so fat. How about I carry the ring for you. It’s soooo pretty, I mean heavy! SAM: Why you little-! FRODO: You asked for it!

03-18-2003, 06:03 AM	#4
The Squatter of Amon Rûdh Spectre of Decay Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Bar-en-Danwedh Posts: 2,178	A thorough reading of the Lost Tales ought to furnish their themes, not to mention a good read all in the name of work. By and large they detail the earliest conception of the myths that became the Silmarillion, at this initial stage still intended as a new mythology for England. Some of the descriptions are the most complete that Tolkien ever gave, as with the account of the fall of Gondolin. Each tale has its own theme, as with any mythology, so it's difficult to give a short explanation of what it's all about, but an examination of the key legends would probably be the best approach for a short report, perhaps with a brief examination of the issue of Eriol. This material could be tied in to the poem Kortirion in the Trees to furnish an interesting discussion of the way in which the original conception of the Tales sets up the two main British islands (the current United Kingdom and Ireland) to be two halves of Tol Eressëa, so that certain English towns, such as Warwick, become locations within the legends. The association of the stories in the Lost Tales with England specifically and explicitly is at the very heart of Tolkien's original ambition for his legends, and it's interesting that this theme was abandoned in later writings. I hope that helps a little. __________________ Man kenuva métim' andúne?