Peter Jackson in RotK - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

TheBladeThatWasBroken · 12-19-2003, 06:46 AM

In an interview with a Chinese news reporter, Peter Jackson informed the reporter that he is "in the movie, but you'll have to search for me." Who do you guys think he appeared?I think he might be one of the people drinking at Edoras, the Green Dragon... but when I watched the movie, I keep thinking that he's the orc chief dude...A non-related comment: did you guys notice that the dude in the Green Dragon who had the big pumpkin was Andy Serkis?

Ainaserkewen · 12-19-2003, 04:08 PM

The chief orc for your info is the same guy who played Lurtz, the orc in FOTR who got his head chopped off by Aragorn.

Sapphire_Flame · 12-19-2003, 04:16 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>A non-related comment: did you guys notice that the dude in the Green Dragon who had the big pumpkin was Andy Serkis?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Really? Huh, I didn't even notice!I didn't remember that PJ was gonna have a cameo, so I forgot to look for him. Next time I go I'll keep my eyes peeled, though!Abedithon le,~*~Aranel~*~

BeeBombadil · 12-19-2003, 04:47 PM

Jackson was on screen for a split second as one of the Corsairs.I did not notice that the pumpkin fellow was Serkis. I'll look when I go again on Sunday.

balrogman · 12-19-2003, 08:03 PM

yes pj was the corsair who says something along the lines of "come on!"the cheif orc guy reminded me of the deformed dude from the gooniesand one of the guards of the beacon in minas tirith was one of the guys from weta...he has an interesting eyebrow lol

juhsstin · 12-20-2003, 05:11 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>the cheif orc guy reminded me of the deformed dude from the goonies <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>"HEY YOU GUYS!!!" [ 6:25 AM December 20, 2003: Message edited by: juhsstin ]

TheBladeThatWasBroken · 12-20-2003, 09:36 AM

whoa! are they long-lost bros or something?!

Cinderella · 12-20-2003, 01:52 PM

Haha honetly, everytime he came on screen I mumbled something about the Goonies, I wonder if they did that on purpose...

The Silver-shod Muse · 12-20-2003, 07:45 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> A non-related comment: did you guys notice that the dude in the Green Dragon who had the big pumpkin was Andy Serkis? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>No, but I noticed a certain old woman with a black hood miraculously beat the Rohirrim from Edoras to Minas Tirith.

Oddwen · 12-20-2003, 08:51 PM

I heard that PJ cut out a twenty-minute scene of himself fighting with a major character. :PWasn't Sean Astin in the Goonies? Maybe it's a hint to that.

Scott · 12-20-2003, 10:23 PM

The Goonie's-orc captain is just another page in Peter Jackson's tome of tongue-in-cheek jabs within his movies.You can also trace one of the big-eyed young girls in the streets of Minas Tirith through the whole trilogy: as a young hobbit at Bilbo's party and as a young Eorlinga being held by her mother in the Glittering Caves.

Lord of Angmar · 12-20-2003, 11:28 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> You can also trace one of the big-eyed young girls in the streets of Minas Tirith through the whole trilogy: as a young hobbit at Bilbo's party and as a young Eorlinga being held by her mother in the Glittering Caves. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I believe (though I may well be mistaken), that that young girl is Peter Jackson's daughter.

Raefindel · 12-21-2003, 12:34 PM

You would be correct in your belief, Lord of Angmar. <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> No, but I noticed a certain old woman with a black hood miraculously beat the Rohirrim from Edoras to Minas Tirith. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Now that I didn't see. Good eye, Silver-shod Muse.

Luthien_ Tinuviel · 12-21-2003, 01:09 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> You can also trace one of the big-eyed young girls in the streets of Minas Tirith through the whole trilogy: as a young hobbit at Bilbo's party and as a young Eorlinga being held by her mother in the Glittering Caves. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Along with her brother: they are hobbit children, children in the Glittering Caves, and then children in Minas Tirith. They are Billy and Katie Jackson, Peter Jackson's children. <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>and one of the guards of the beacon in minas tirith was one of the guys from weta...he has an interesting eyebrow <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I noticed that... it's Christian Rivers, the Pre-viz specialist who drew the storyboards, I think.I also seemed to recognize quite a few of the soldiers from past battles.... It seemed to me that some of the Rohirrim doubled as soldiers of Gondor.... Kind of annoying, that.

doug*platypus · 12-21-2003, 05:14 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Kind of annoying, that. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>True! The first time I saw PJs kids in Rohan I was fuming! It really takes away from the realism of the films to have what are obviously the same people appearing as different characters. Lawrence Makoare appearing as both Lurtz and Goonie is fine, since it's pretty durn hard to tell. But I guess they're PJs movies, and if he can't give himself and his kids cameos in each then I suppose it's a little sad. If only Katie wasn't so obvious!!!Pete himself is definitely the captain of the corsairs. But I notice on the audio commentary for The Two Towers that apparently he isn't one of the Dunlendings?! At least that's what he said, but in that case I can't see where in TTT he appears (and I'm sure he'd be in there somewhere!). Although it is nice to see all these people (Alan Lee included) getting in front of the camera, I don't like the amount of believability you lose by doing so. That's precisely the reason that David Bowie wasn't cast as Elrond. If you spend all your time going, "Ooh that's PJ", "That's PJ again", "That's the guy who did the storyboards" and "That's the 2nd assistant to the head driver of the catering company" then it becomes pretty %#%$ing distracting!

**The Saucepan Man** · 12-21-2003, 06:35 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> did you guys notice that the dude in the Green Dragon who had the big pumpkin was Andy Serkis? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>No. He was the guy who played Ted Sandyman in the FotR EE. Presumably because the Hobbit with the big pumpkin in RotK is Ted Sandyman. <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Lawrence Makoare appearing as both Lurtz and Goonie is fine, since it's pretty durn hard to tell. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>He plays the Witch King too, although it is equally hard to tell. Potato-head's resemblance to that thing from the Goonies (not a film that I have seen) is remarkable. Personally, I had him down as John Merrick without John Hurt's schlurping voice. <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Pete himself is definitely the captain of the corsairs. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Indeed he is. I suspect that he has a bigger part to play in the EE. <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> The first time I saw PJs kids in Rohan I was fuming! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Oh, but they are so darn cute, you can't blame the man. I'd do the same. <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Although it is nice to see all these people (Alan Lee included) getting in front of the camera, I don't like the amount of believability you lose by doing so. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Only for us book/film obsessives. I bet that 90% of people who saw all three films never noticed.

Kalimac · 12-21-2003, 07:26 PM

It might sound weird, but I make it a point never to watch the "Behind-the-movie" features where you find out stuff like how the illusions were done (I mean, I know there were illusions, but seeing them spelled out makes it hard for me to watch the scene again without thinking "Frodo's really standing on a soundstage yelling at a painted basketball"). Same goes for finding out who does cameos. I have no idea what Alan Lee et al look like and so, happily, all those guards and so forth don't bother me at all; they could be anyone .PJ's daughter is the only one I've noticed on my own; his son blends into the background a good bit, but it's hard to miss that enormous brown pair of headlights. It bothered me a little bit, but not too much, mostly because she doesn't actually do much, and conceivably there is more than one big-eyed small girl running around in Middle Earth. If she had to talk, making it unavoidably obvious that it was the same person, I'd mind a good bit more.

12-22-2003, 05:00 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>But I notice on the audio commentary for The Two Towers that apparently he isn't one of the Dunlendings?! At least that's what he said, but in that case I can't see where in TTT he appears (and I'm sure he'd be in there somewhere!).<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I'm not quite sure, but I think he's one of the soldiers on the wall above the gate. You see a man throwing a spear (or rock)down at the uruk-hai as they move up towards the gate. I think that's PJ.

Olorin_TLA · 12-22-2003, 06:27 AM

Pumpkin guy ain't Sandyman.

BeeBombadil · 12-23-2003, 12:56 PM

In TTT, Jackson is a chain mailed soldier who hurls a rock over onto the Uruk-Hai. Barry Osborne is also a soldier in the Helm's Deep battle.Andy Serkis does NOT play the pumpkin guy...as far as I could spot, he's on-screen, with his own face, only as Smeagol.

Failivrin · 12-23-2003, 03:32 PM

i thought he hurled a spear? i was watching it the other day and i turned back to the screen and there was PJ at Helm's Deep! i'd never seen him there before.wow! i'm so chuffed i worked out the corsairs thing and here everybody knows! i saw that today.i also recognised interesting eyebrow guy today.i get pretty annoyed by Billy and Katie now. her wig in Rohan looked SO unrealistic! i think they're both very sweet though. at their best in FOTR, perhaps?

The Only Real Estel · 12-23-2003, 04:53 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>I believe (though I may well be mistaken), that that young girl is Peter Jackson's daughter.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>You believe correctly (as Raefindel said) . <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>No. He was the guy who played Ted Sandyman in the FotR EE. Presumably because the Hobbit with the big pumpkin in RotK is Ted Sandyman.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Are you sure? I went & saw it after being told that Serkis played the 'pumpkin guy', & there is a rather striking resemblance... <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> but in that case I can't see where in TTT he appears (and I'm sure he'd be in there somewhere!). <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>As I think someone else said on this thread, he hurls a spear at the Uruks near the front gate of Helm's Deep (he has a chain mail hoodie-type-thingy, so he's harder to recognize ). I also thought he was one of the wild men... <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>The Goonie's-orc captain is just another page in Peter Jackson's tome of tongue-in-cheek jabs within his movies. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Um, I kind've doubt that. I think PJ was just trying to make the orc look grotesque & it didn't work out very well. <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>The first time I saw PJs kids in Rohan I was fuming!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Well, I certainly wasn't fuming when I saw them in TTT, but I do wish PJ would keep their appearances down a bit, perhaps. I think it's perfectly fine that he gave his kiddies some screen time in FotR, but I don't know about giving them more. Oh well, it really doesn't bother me much...

Estelyn Telcontar · 12-23-2003, 05:24 PM

Regarding the cameo appearances of Peter Jackson's children in all three movies - I can't say I blame him! If I were directing the movie of my lifetime, the biggest one I've ever done, and there was a legitimate place to put my children in it, I'd jump at the chance. Just think what memories that makes for when they see it in years to come!

Elvish Archer · 12-23-2003, 05:58 PM

I was watching our for this sort of thing when I went to see the RotK and I still didn't catch most of it. The black hooded woman for instance, was one that I missed however I did catch the little girl and the signal guard. I also beg to differ with the lot of you regarding PJ's role in the movie. I swear that he plays a Rider of Rohan, wearing the same mail hood that he wore in the TTT. (Yes, that's him that hurls the spear. He scores a hit, too ) He also weilds a battle axe like Ares himself. In regards to the Andy Serkis/Ted Sandyman argument, I don't think that's him. In FotR EE, Sandyman, Sam, Sam's Gaffer, and an unkown hobbit are all sitting around a table at the Green Dragon. He says something along the lines of "Stay away from trouble and trouble will stay away from you." It doesn't look like Andy to me then.Cheers! EA

The Only Real Estel · 12-23-2003, 09:10 PM

I really don't think that Sandyman & the pumpkin man looked all that much alike at all...

balrogman · 12-23-2003, 09:18 PM

yeah well regardless i dont think it was andy serkis

12-19-2003, 06:46 AM	#1
TheBladeThatWasBroken Animated Skeleton Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Hopefully Middle-Earth Posts: 48	Peter Jackson in RotK In an interview with a Chinese news reporter, Peter Jackson informed the reporter that he is "in the movie, but you'll have to search for me." Who do you guys think he appeared?<P>I think he might be one of the people drinking at Edoras, the Green Dragon... but when I watched the movie, I keep thinking that he's the orc chief dude...<P>A non-related comment: did you guys notice that the dude in the Green Dragon who had the big pumpkin was Andy Serkis? __________________ Here I set it, but I command you not to touch it, nor to permit any other to lay hand on it. In this elvish sheath dwells the Blade that was Broken and has been made again. Telchar first wrought it in the deeps of time. Death shall come to any man that draws Elendil's sword save Elendil's heir.

12-19-2003, 04:08 PM	#2
Ainaserkewen Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A cosmic waiting room Posts: 651	The chief orc for your info is the same guy who played Lurtz, the orc in FOTR who got his head chopped off by Aragorn. __________________ Solus... I'm eating chicken again. I ate chicken yesterday and the day before... will I be eating chicken again tomorrow? Why am I always eating chicken?

12-19-2003, 04:16 PM	#3
Sapphire_Flame Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: The World That Never Was Posts: 1,232	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>A non-related comment: did you guys notice that the dude in the Green Dragon who had the big pumpkin was Andy Serkis?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Really? Huh, I didn't even notice!<P>I didn't remember that PJ was gonna have a cameo, so I forgot to look for him. Next time I go I'll keep my eyes peeled, though!<P>Abedithon le,<P>~~Aranel~~ __________________ The Hitchhiking Ghost

12-19-2003, 04:47 PM	#4
BeeBombadil Animated Skeleton Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Berkeley, CA Posts: 32	Jackson was on screen for a split second as one of the Corsairs.<P>I did not notice that the pumpkin fellow was Serkis. I'll look when I go again on Sunday.

12-19-2003, 08:03 PM	#5
balrogman Wight Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: that place with the stuff Posts: 102	yes pj was the corsair who says something along the lines of "come on!"<P>the cheif orc guy reminded me of the deformed dude from the goonies<P>and one of the guards of the beacon in minas tirith was one of the guys from weta...he has an interesting eyebrow lol __________________ should i stay or should i go?

12-20-2003, 05:11 AM	#6
juhsstin Pile O'Bones Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 20	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>the cheif orc guy reminded me of the deformed dude from the goonies <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>"HEY YOU GUYS!!!" <BR> <p>[ 6:25 AM December 20, 2003: Message edited by: juhsstin ]

12-20-2003, 09:36 AM	#7
TheBladeThatWasBroken Animated Skeleton Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Hopefully Middle-Earth Posts: 48	whoa! are they long-lost bros or something?! __________________ Here I set it, but I command you not to touch it, nor to permit any other to lay hand on it. In this elvish sheath dwells the Blade that was Broken and has been made again. Telchar first wrought it in the deeps of time. Death shall come to any man that draws Elendil's sword save Elendil's heir.

12-20-2003, 01:52 PM	#8
Cinderella Wight Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Arda Unmarred, MA Posts: 173	Haha honetly, everytime he came on screen I mumbled something about the Goonies, I wonder if they did that on purpose... __________________ These violent delights have violent ends... "Live fast, die young, and have a beautiful looking corpse." -J. Dean

12-20-2003, 07:45 PM	#9
The Silver-shod Muse Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: The shoulder of a poet, TX Posts: 388	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> A non-related comment: did you guys notice that the dude in the Green Dragon who had the big pumpkin was Andy Serkis? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>No, but I noticed a certain old woman with a black hood miraculously beat the Rohirrim from Edoras to Minas Tirith. __________________ "'You," he said, "tell her all. What good came to you? Do you rejoice that Maleldil became a man? Tell her of your joys, and of what profit you had when you made Maleldil and death acquainted.'" -Perelandra, by C.S. Lewis

12-20-2003, 08:51 PM	#10
Oddwen Drummer in the Deep Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Next Sunday A.D. Posts: 2,145	I heard that PJ cut out a twenty-minute scene of himself fighting with a major character. :P<P>Wasn't Sean Astin in the Goonies? Maybe it's a hint to that. __________________ But all the while I sit and think of times there were before I listen for returning feet and voices at the door

12-20-2003, 10:23 PM	#11
Scott Wight Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Ohio/Grey Havens Posts: 183	The Goonie's-orc captain is just another page in Peter Jackson's tome of tongue-in-cheek jabs within his movies.<P>You can also trace one of the big-eyed young girls in the streets of Minas Tirith through the whole trilogy: as a young hobbit at Bilbo's party and as a young Eorlinga being held by her mother in the Glittering Caves. __________________ Those who the Gods would destroy, They first make mad. ~Those Crazy Greeks

12-20-2003, 11:28 PM	#12
Lord of Angmar Tyrannus Incorporalis Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: the North Posts: 833	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> You can also trace one of the big-eyed young girls in the streets of Minas Tirith through the whole trilogy: as a young hobbit at Bilbo's party and as a young Eorlinga being held by her mother in the Glittering Caves. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I believe (though I may well be mistaken), that that young girl is Peter Jackson's daughter. __________________ ...where the instrument of intelligence is added to brute power and evil will, mankind is powerless in its own defence.

12-21-2003, 12:34 PM	#13
Raefindel Sword of the Spirit Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Washington State Posts: 1,313	You would be correct in your belief, Lord of Angmar.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> No, but I noticed a certain old woman with a black hood miraculously beat the Rohirrim from Edoras to Minas Tirith. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Now that I didn't see. Good eye, Silver-shod Muse. __________________ Blessed be the Lord my Strength, Who trained my hands for war and my fingers to fight. Psallm 144:1

12-21-2003, 01:09 PM	#14
Luthien_ Tinuviel Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2002 Location: A very lovely tree-hut in the Chunnel. Posts: 804	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> You can also trace one of the big-eyed young girls in the streets of Minas Tirith through the whole trilogy: as a young hobbit at Bilbo's party and as a young Eorlinga being held by her mother in the Glittering Caves. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Along with her brother: they are hobbit children, children in the Glittering Caves, and then children in Minas Tirith. They are Billy and Katie Jackson, Peter Jackson's children.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>and one of the guards of the beacon in minas tirith was one of the guys from weta...he has an interesting eyebrow<BR> <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I noticed that... it's Christian Rivers, the Pre-viz specialist who drew the storyboards, I think.<P>I also seemed to recognize quite a few of the soldiers from past battles.... It seemed to me that some of the Rohirrim doubled as soldiers of Gondor.... Kind of annoying, that. __________________ I am a nineteen-year-old nomad photographer who owns a lemonade stand. You know what? I love Mip.

12-21-2003, 05:14 PM	#15
doug*platypus Delver in the Deep Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Aotearoa Posts: 960	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Kind of annoying, that.<BR> <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>True! The first time I saw PJs kids in Rohan I was fuming! It really takes away from the realism of the films to have what are obviously the same people appearing as different characters. Lawrence Makoare appearing as both Lurtz and Goonie is fine, since it's pretty durn hard to tell. But I guess they're PJs movies, and if he can't give himself and his kids cameos in each then I suppose it's a little sad. If only Katie wasn't so <B>obvious</B>!!!<P>Pete himself is definitely the captain of the corsairs. But I notice on the audio commentary for <I>The Two Towers</I> that apparently he <B>isn't</B> one of the Dunlendings?! At least that's what he said, but in that case I can't see where in TTT he appears (and I'm sure he'd be in there somewhere!). <P>Although it is nice to see all these people (Alan Lee included) getting in front of the camera, I don't like the amount of believability you lose by doing so. That's precisely the reason that David Bowie wasn't cast as Elrond. If you spend all your time going, "Ooh that's PJ", "That's PJ again", "That's the guy who did the storyboards" and "That's the 2nd assistant to the head driver of the catering company" then it becomes pretty %#%$ing distracting! __________________ But Gwindor answered: 'The doom lies in yourself, not in your name'.

12-21-2003, 06:35 PM	#16
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> did you guys notice that the dude in the Green Dragon who had the big pumpkin was Andy Serkis? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>No. He was the guy who played Ted Sandyman in the FotR EE. Presumably because the Hobbit with the big pumpkin in RotK is Ted Sandyman.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Lawrence Makoare appearing as both Lurtz and Goonie is fine, since it's pretty durn hard to tell. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>He plays the Witch King too, although it is equally hard to tell. Potato-head's resemblance to that thing from the Goonies (not a film that I have seen) is remarkable. Personally, I had him down as John Merrick without John Hurt's schlurping voice. <P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Pete himself is definitely the captain of the corsairs. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Indeed he is. I suspect that he has a bigger part to play in the EE.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> The first time I saw PJs kids in Rohan I was fuming! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Oh, but they are so <I>darn</I> cute, you can't blame the man. I'd do the same. <P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Although it is nice to see all these people (Alan Lee included) getting in front of the camera, I don't like the amount of believability you lose by doing so. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Only for us book/film obsessives. I bet that 90% of people who saw all three films never noticed. __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

12-21-2003, 07:26 PM	#17
Kalimac Candle of the Marshes Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Flyover Country Posts: 780	It might sound weird, but I make it a point never to watch the "Behind-the-movie" features where you find out stuff like how the illusions were done (I mean, I know there were illusions, but seeing them spelled out makes it hard for me to watch the scene again without thinking "Frodo's really standing on a soundstage yelling at a painted basketball"). Same goes for finding out who does cameos. I have no idea what Alan Lee et al look like and so, happily, all those guards and so forth don't bother me at all; they could be anyone .<P>PJ's daughter is the only one I've noticed on my own; his son blends into the background a good bit, but it's hard to miss that enormous brown pair of headlights. It bothered me a little bit, but not too much, mostly because she doesn't actually do much, and conceivably there is more than one big-eyed small girl running around in Middle Earth. If she had to talk, making it unavoidably obvious that it was the same person, I'd mind a good bit more. __________________ Father, dear Father, if you see fit, We'll send my love to college for one year yet Tie blue ribbons all about his head, To let the ladies know that he's married.

12-22-2003, 05:00 AM	#18
Feredir Guest Posts: n/a	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>But I notice on the audio commentary for The Two Towers that apparently he isn't one of the Dunlendings?! At least that's what he said, but in that case I can't see where in TTT he appears (and I'm sure he'd be in there somewhere!).<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I'm not quite sure, but I think he's one of the soldiers on the wall above the gate. You see a man throwing a spear (or rock)down at the uruk-hai as they move up towards the gate. I think that's PJ.

12-22-2003, 06:27 AM	#19
Olorin_TLA Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Gardens of Lórien, Valinor. Posts: 420	Pumpkin guy ain't Sandyman. __________________ "For I am Olórin! And Olórin means me!" ELENDIL! - Join "Forth Tolkiengas!"

12-23-2003, 12:56 PM	#20
BeeBombadil Animated Skeleton Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Berkeley, CA Posts: 32	In TTT, Jackson is a chain mailed soldier who hurls a rock over onto the Uruk-Hai. Barry Osborne is also a soldier in the Helm's Deep battle.<P>Andy Serkis does NOT play the pumpkin guy...as far as I could spot, he's on-screen, with his own face, only as Smeagol.

12-23-2003, 03:32 PM	#21
Failivrin Wight Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: England Posts: 201	i thought he hurled a spear? i was watching it the other day and i turned back to the screen and there was PJ at Helm's Deep! i'd never seen him there before.<P>wow! i'm so chuffed i worked out the corsairs thing and here everybody knows! i saw that today.<P>i also recognised interesting eyebrow guy today.<P>i get pretty annoyed by Billy and Katie now. her wig in Rohan looked SO unrealistic! <P>i think they're both very sweet though. at their best in FOTR, perhaps? __________________ no one in particular

12-23-2003, 04:53 PM	#22
The Only Real Estel Raffish Rapscallion Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Far from the 'Downs, it seems :-( Posts: 2,835	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>I believe (though I may well be mistaken), that that young girl is Peter Jackson's daughter.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>You believe correctly (as Raefindel said) .<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>No. He was the guy who played Ted Sandyman in the FotR EE. Presumably because the Hobbit with the big pumpkin in RotK is Ted Sandyman.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Are you sure? I went & saw it after being told that Serkis played the 'pumpkin guy', & there is a rather striking resemblance...<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> but in that case I can't see where in TTT he appears (and I'm sure he'd be in there somewhere!). <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>As I think someone else said on this thread, he hurls a spear at the Uruks near the front gate of Helm's Deep (he has a chain mail hoodie-type-thingy, so he's harder to recognize ). I also thought he was one of the wild men...<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>The Goonie's-orc captain is just another page in Peter Jackson's tome of tongue-in-cheek jabs within his movies. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Um, I kind've doubt that. I think PJ was just trying to make the orc look grotesque & it didn't work out very well.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>The first time I saw PJs kids in Rohan I was fuming!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Well, I certainly wasn't fuming when I saw them in TTT, but I do wish PJ would keep their appearances down a bit, perhaps. I think it's perfectly fine that he gave his kiddies some screen time in FotR, but I don't know about giving them more. Oh well, it really doesn't bother me much...

12-23-2003, 05:24 PM	#23
Estelyn Telcontar Princess of Skwerlz Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: where the Sea is eastwards (WtR: 6060 miles) Posts: 7,500	Regarding the cameo appearances of Peter Jackson's children in all three movies - I can't say I blame him! If I were directing the movie of my lifetime, the biggest one I've ever done, and there was a legitimate place to put my children in it, I'd jump at the chance. Just think what memories that makes for when they see it in years to come! __________________ 'Mercy!' cried Gandalf. 'If the giving of information is to be the cure of your inquisitiveness, I shall spend all the rest of my days in answering you. What more do you want to know?' 'The whole history of Middle-earth...'

12-23-2003, 05:58 PM	#24
Elvish Archer Animated Skeleton Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Land of Insanity, State of Denial Posts: 36	I was watching our for this sort of thing when I went to see the RotK and I still didn't catch most of it. The black hooded woman for instance, was one that I missed however I did catch the little girl and the signal guard. I also beg to differ with the lot of you regarding PJ's role in the movie. I swear that he plays a Rider of Rohan, wearing the same mail hood that he wore in the TTT. (Yes, that's him that hurls the spear. He scores a hit, too ) He also weilds a battle axe like Ares himself.<BR> <BR> In regards to the Andy Serkis/Ted Sandyman argument, I don't think that's him. In FotR EE, Sandyman, Sam, Sam's Gaffer, and an unkown hobbit are all sitting around a table at the Green Dragon. He says something along the lines of "Stay away from trouble and trouble will stay away from you." It doesn't look like Andy to me then.<P>Cheers! EA __________________ Fan of LotR, before it was a fad. He who laughs last, thinks slowest.

12-23-2003, 09:10 PM	#25
The Only Real Estel Raffish Rapscallion Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Far from the 'Downs, it seems :-( Posts: 2,835	I really don't think that Sandyman & the pumpkin man looked all that much alike at all...

12-23-2003, 09:18 PM	#26
balrogman Wight Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: that place with the stuff Posts: 102	yeah well regardless i dont think it was andy serkis __________________ should i stay or should i go?