**RotK - Gimli (John Rhys-Davies)** - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Estelyn Telcontar · 12-16-2003, 01:01 PM

Did you like the way Gimli was shown in the third movie, and how well did the actor do in playing him?

Eomer of the Rohirrim · 12-17-2003, 01:56 PM

This was Gimli's best film. No silly jokes, just good, Gimli-style one liners, but hardly any screentime. This was to be expected. I suspect that there will be little debate on Gimli's part in this movie.

Iris Alantiel · 12-17-2003, 03:01 PM

Redeemed somewhat from TTT. I hated the way he became such a clown in that movie. Don't even get me started. But I really enjoyed him in this film, especially when they addressed the way the elf/dwarf friendship has progressed from the Council of Elrond to the point where he would consider dying alongside Legolas "dying alongside a friend". I think Rhys-Davies makes a great Gimli (TTT wasn't his fault at all).

Lossentilien · 12-17-2003, 04:31 PM

I thought he was portrayed slightly better than in TTT, and the one liners were excellent! Was it just me, or did he sometimes seem to have a stronger accent than in the other films? (Am probably imagining things) I was a little disappointed that they didn't show what happened to him after the war. It would've been a nice way to finish it, showing him and Legolas as true friends.

Arathiriel · 12-17-2003, 08:24 PM

This is not a knock of JRD or his performance in RoTK but did anyone else have a hard time understanding Gimli? I understood him perfectly in FOTR but for the life of me, I've had to watch TTT and now RoTK multiply times to understand Gimli! Anyway, I enjoyed JRD as Gimli when I could understand what he was saying! Again, I am not knocking John Rhys-Davies!

Diamond18 · 12-18-2003, 01:18 AM

I loved the line about Aragorn's plan to march on the Black Gate. I can't remember it now... but I loved it.... (This is what happens when you go to work, do Christmas shopping and see a movie in one day....)

Mariska Greenleaf · 12-18-2003, 06:01 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Was it just me, or did he sometimes seem to have a stronger accent than in the other films? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>It wasn't just you, I noticed that too. Strange. For the rest, I liked Gimli better than in TTT, he was more portrayed as the ferocious(sp) warrior he really is.

Gimli stonesheild · 12-18-2003, 06:10 PM

Any way you put it Gimli is the best of the fellowship smart, hated Captain Obivous and just the coolest acting i have seen for a longgg time

Lily Bracegirdle · 12-18-2003, 06:30 PM

Again, a small part, but well acted. I really liked his "that only counts as one" line.-Lily

doug*platypus · 12-18-2003, 07:08 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> I loved the line about Aragorn's plan to march on the Black Gate. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Certainty of death. Small chance of success. What are we waiting for? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Yes I admit that the writing team did do a good job of bringing some more modern humour than the book could have provided, while keeping all of the best jokes from the original trilogy. John Rhys-Davies is a great guy and a fine actor, he really charmed everyone at the ROTK parade in Wellington. He had a great stock joke for autograph-signing as well: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Next time I'll choose a shorter name, like Sting or Madonna! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>But you really had to hear it in his resonant Welsh accent to fully appreciate it. I fully approve of Gimli being a bit of a prankster, and this change helps to make up for Legolas having lost all of the carefree, joyous personality he had in the books (along with every other elf cos god forbid they're not serious for three seconds PJ ). However why this had to come at the expense of his tough, grim dwarf persona I shall never know! What happened to: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Baruk Khazâd! Khazâd ai mênu! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>And instead of: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Give me a row of Orc-necks and room to swing and all weariness shall fall from my limbs. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>we get: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Give me news of our friend and I will ease your passing. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Ease his passing?! You're a dwarf!! Butcher him, chop off his head, feed it to the crows and then look for the next orc! Remember the Alamulzibar (or something like that)!!Movie Gimli is a total pansy compared to book Gimli, who manages to be sensitive, caring and eloquent while still being one of the greatest dwarf heroes of the age. Unfortunately, he is not allowed even this little extra depth of character in Peter Jackson's verion.

Jjudvven · 12-19-2003, 12:43 PM

I though he was pretty good, although not perfect. They tried to make him more funny, and less..... Gimli.

Finwe · 12-19-2003, 01:17 PM

I thought that he was absolutely stunning. I particularly loved the scene at the Paths of the Dead where he mutters: "An Elf will go underground, but a Dwarf will not?!?!" and also the scene at the very end where he runs into the bedroom where the Hobbits and Gandalf are, with tears of joy in his eyes. It was the most beautiful reunion of the Fellowship that I could think of.

12-16-2003, 01:01 PM	#1
Estelyn Telcontar Princess of Skwerlz Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: where the Sea is eastwards (WtR: 6060 miles) Posts: 7,500	RotK - Gimli (John Rhys-Davies) Did you like the way Gimli was shown in the third movie, and how well did the actor do in playing him? __________________ 'Mercy!' cried Gandalf. 'If the giving of information is to be the cure of your inquisitiveness, I shall spend all the rest of my days in answering you. What more do you want to know?' 'The whole history of Middle-earth...'

12-17-2003, 01:56 PM	#2
Eomer of the Rohirrim Auspicious Wraith Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,859	This was Gimli's best film. No silly jokes, just good, Gimli-style one liners, but hardly any screentime. This was to be expected. I suspect that there will be little debate on Gimli's part in this movie. __________________ Los Ingobernables de Harlond

12-17-2003, 03:01 PM	#3
Iris Alantiel Haunting Spirit Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Valinor Posts: 97	Redeemed somewhat from TTT. I hated the way he became such a clown in that movie. Don't even get me started. But I really enjoyed him in this film, especially when they addressed the way the elf/dwarf friendship has progressed from the Council of Elrond to the point where he would consider dying alongside Legolas "dying alongside a friend". I think Rhys-Davies makes a great Gimli (TTT wasn't his fault at all). __________________ Above all shadows rides the Sun and Stars forever dwell: I will not say the Day is done, nor bid the Stars farewell. -- Samwise Gamgee

12-17-2003, 04:31 PM	#4
Lossentilien Wight Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: lost in a web of intrigue Posts: 123	I thought he was portrayed slightly better than in TTT, and the one liners were excellent! <BR>Was it just me, or did he sometimes seem to have a stronger accent than in the other films? (Am probably imagining things)<BR>I was a little disappointed that they didn't show what happened to him after the war. It would've been a nice way to finish it, showing him and Legolas as true friends. __________________ "Can I cry as much as I want? The white snow falls and hides my tears." Imladris

12-17-2003, 08:24 PM	#5
Arathiriel Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Blessed Realm Posts: 284	This is not a knock of JRD or his performance in RoTK but did anyone else have a hard time understanding Gimli? <P>I understood him perfectly in FOTR but for the life of me, I've had to watch TTT and now RoTK multiply times to understand Gimli!<P><BR>Anyway, I enjoyed JRD as Gimli when I could understand what he was saying! <BR> <P>Again, I am <B>not</B> knocking John Rhys-Davies! __________________ 'I love him. He's like that, and sometimes it shines through, somehow. But I love him, whether or no.' - Samwise Gamgee

12-18-2003, 01:18 AM	#6
Diamond18 Eidolon of a Took Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: my own private fantasy world Posts: 3,460	I loved the line about Aragorn's plan to march on the Black Gate. I can't remember it now... but I loved it.... (This is what happens when you go to work, do Christmas shopping and see a movie in one day....) __________________ All shall be rather fond of me and suffer from mild depression.

12-18-2003, 06:01 AM	#7
Mariska Greenleaf Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Dublin Posts: 1,036	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Was it just me, or did he sometimes seem to have a stronger accent than in the other films? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>It wasn't just you, I noticed that too. Strange.<BR>For the rest, I liked Gimli better than in TTT, he was more portrayed as the ferocious(sp) warrior he really is. __________________ I hear and I forget. I see and I remember. I do and I understand.- Confucius.

12-18-2003, 06:10 PM	#8
Gimli stonesheild Pile O'Bones Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Barrow Alaska Posts: 14	Any way you put it Gimli is the best of the fellowship smart, hated Captain Obivous and just the coolest acting i have seen for a longgg time __________________ “you could have picked a better spot” “Do you want me to discribe it to you or get you a box?”

12-18-2003, 06:30 PM	#9
Lily Bracegirdle Wight Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Bree Posts: 210	Again, a small part, but well acted. I really liked his "that only counts as one" line.<P>-Lily __________________ "But nay: the praise of the praiseworthy is above all rewards." - Faramir

12-18-2003, 07:08 PM	#10
doug*platypus Delver in the Deep Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Aotearoa Posts: 960	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> I loved the line about Aragorn's plan to march on the Black Gate. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Certainty of death. Small chance of success. What are we waiting for? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Yes I admit that the writing team did do a good job of bringing some more modern humour than the book could have provided, while keeping all of the best jokes from the original trilogy. <P>John Rhys-Davies is a great guy and a fine actor, he really charmed everyone at the ROTK parade in Wellington. He had a great stock joke for autograph-signing as well: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Next time I'll choose a shorter name, like Sting or Madonna! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>But you really had to hear it in his resonant Welsh accent to fully appreciate it. <P>I fully approve of Gimli being a bit of a prankster, and this change helps to make up for Legolas having lost all of the carefree, joyous personality he had in the books (along with every other elf cos god forbid they're not serious for three seconds PJ ). <B>However</B> why this had to come at the expense of his tough, grim dwarf persona I shall never know! What happened to: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Baruk Khazâd! Khazâd ai mênu! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>And instead of: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Give me a row of Orc-necks and room to swing and all weariness shall fall from my limbs. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>we get: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Give me news of our friend and I will ease your passing. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Ease his passing?! You're a dwarf!! Butcher him, chop off his head, feed it to the crows and then look for the next orc! Remember the Alamulzibar (or something like that)!!<P>Movie Gimli is a total pansy compared to book Gimli, who manages to be sensitive, caring and eloquent while still being one of the greatest dwarf heroes of the age. Unfortunately, he is not allowed even this little extra depth of character in Peter Jackson's verion. __________________ But Gwindor answered: 'The doom lies in yourself, not in your name'.

12-19-2003, 12:43 PM	#11
Jjudvven Wight Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: The Land to the West Posts: 154	I though he was pretty good, although not perfect. They tried to make him more funny, and less..... Gimli. __________________ "I don't know all of you as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you, half as well as you deserve."

12-19-2003, 01:17 PM	#12
Finwe Deathless Sun Join Date: May 2003 Location: The Royal Suite in the Halls of Mandos Posts: 2,609	I thought that he was absolutely stunning. I particularly loved the scene at the Paths of the Dead where he mutters: "An Elf will go underground, but a Dwarf will not?!?!" and also the scene at the very end where he runs into the bedroom where the Hobbits and Gandalf are, with tears of joy in his eyes. It was the most beautiful reunion of the Fellowship that I could think of. __________________ But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.