Narya in FoTR. - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Tar-Alcarin · 12-13-2003, 06:35 PM

While watching FoTR:EE inotcied that Gandalf was wearing narya on his finger in Moria. are there any other little hidden things like this in any of he other movies.

Lord of Angmar · 12-13-2003, 06:41 PM

Really? That seems like a terribly stupid thing for Peter Jackson to do, and dishonest to the Books. Gandalf never openly wore Narya until "The Grey Havens," and I have a theory that he did not even bring it with him past Imladris (although this may well soon be proven wrong by the wise at the Barrow Downs).

**lindil** · 12-13-2003, 06:51 PM

My understanding of the 3 rings it that they, not the wearer were invisible to all but special cases, such as Frodo.This is based on THe Mirror of Galadriel passage were sam sees no ring when Frodo does. So I infer from this conclude that ll three bearers of the Elven Rings were under nornal circumstances wearing and using them, unbeknownst to those around. Anyone know of other references in Letters or HoM-E ?ps Angmar, sounds like another point for the prosecutor to bring up .[ 8:47 PM December 13, 2003: Message edited by: lindil ]

The Only Real Estel · 12-13-2003, 06:59 PM

It sounds like something that PJ put in more for the book-reading audience, as they would understand what the Ring was & the normal movie-goers would not see anything significant about it. None the less, it is a rather pointless thing to include...since the Rings were invisible, & were supposed to remain hidden.

Knight of Gondor · 12-13-2003, 11:12 PM

All the time when I saw Gandalf's bare hand I thought "yep, Narya is there and we just can't see it". I never saw him wearing the Ring in Moria at all. Can you be more specific? What time, what place? What dialogue is said at the time?

Everdawn · 12-14-2003, 01:12 AM

Thats strange. Arent the bearers of the three rings supposed to stay unknown? Or did my imagination just make that up. It has a habit of doing things like that...

Silmiel of Imladris · 12-14-2003, 11:12 AM

Are you guys sure it wasn't the loop cord on his staff that Gandalf had around his finger. He has it around his finger when he is talking to Saurman in the tower right before seeing the Palantire. When he does this it looks like he is wearing a ring so it may be the same in both scenes. I am not saying you guys are wrong but I will have to see it for myself if some one could tell me where to find it.

Knight of Gondor · 12-14-2003, 02:17 PM

I would have to know at what specific point in the mines is the Ring allegedly spotted.

Tar-Alcarin · 12-14-2003, 02:54 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Are you guys sure it wasn't the loop cord on his staff that Gandalf had around his finger <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>It probably was that. It just looked a lot like what Narya shol hav looked like.

manaratowen · 12-14-2003, 02:58 PM

in the mirror og galadriel, it reads 'Yes,' she said, divining his thought, 'it is not permitted to speak of it, and Elrond could not do so. But it cannot be hidden from the Ring-bearer, and one who has seen the Eye. Verily it is in the land of Lorien upon the finger of Galadriel that one of the Three remains. This is Nenya, the RIng of Adament, and I am its keeper." i took this to mean that only another ring bearer, weather it be the one ring or any other, can see the other rings.

12-13-2003, 06:35 PM	#1
Tar-Alcarin Wight Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Numenore Posts: 108	Narya in FoTR. While watching FoTR:EE inotcied that Gandalf was wearing narya on his finger in Moria. are there any other little hidden things like this in any of he other movies. __________________ Miniature Rohirrim armor: $500. Amount of fuel it took pippin to light the beacons: $20. Seeing your two favourite hobbits get wasted and drunk: priceless

12-13-2003, 06:41 PM	#2
Lord of Angmar Tyrannus Incorporalis Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: the North Posts: 833	Really? That seems like a terribly stupid thing for Peter Jackson to do, and dishonest to the Books. Gandalf never openly wore Narya until "The Grey Havens," and I have a theory that he did not even bring it with him past Imladris (although this may well soon be proven wrong by the wise at the Barrow Downs). __________________ ...where the instrument of intelligence is added to brute power and evil will, mankind is powerless in its own defence.

12-13-2003, 06:51 PM	#3
lindil Seeker of the Straight Path Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: a hidden fastness in Big Valley nor cal Posts: 1,680	My understanding of the 3 rings it that they, not the wearer were invisible to all but special cases, such as Frodo.<P>This is based on THe Mirror of Galadriel passage were sam sees no ring when Frodo does. <P>So I infer from this conclude that ll three bearers of the Elven Rings were under nornal circumstances wearing and using them, unbeknownst to those around. Anyone know of other references in Letters or HoM-E ?<P>ps Angmar, sounds like another point for the prosecutor to bring up .<p>[ 8:47 PM December 13, 2003: Message edited by: lindil ] __________________ The dwindling Men of the West would often sit up late into the night exchanging lore & wisdom such as they still possessed that they should not fall back into the mean estate of those who never knew or indeed rebelled against the Light.

12-13-2003, 11:12 PM	#5
Knight of Gondor Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Kentucky Posts: 744	All the time when I saw Gandalf's bare hand I thought "yep, Narya is there and we just can't see it". I never saw him wearing the Ring in Moria at all. Can you be more specific? What time, what place? What dialogue is said at the time? __________________ Eagerly awaiting the REAL Return of the King - Jesus Christ! Revelation 19:11-16

12-14-2003, 01:12 AM	#6
Everdawn Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: On the sand dunes outside of Ilium, watching it burn. Posts: 1,291	Thats strange. Arent the bearers of the three rings supposed to stay unknown? Or did my imagination just make that up. It has a habit of doing things like that... __________________ "Athena, stepping up behind him, visible to no one but Achillies, gripped his red-gold hair. Startled he made a half turn, and he knew her upon the instant for Athena." ~The Iliad~ ~My lord, Éomer~

12-13-2003, 06:59 PM	#4
The Only Real Estel Raffish Rapscallion Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Far from the 'Downs, it seems :-( Posts: 2,835	It sounds like something that PJ put in more for the book-reading audience, as they would understand what the Ring was & the normal movie-goers would not see anything significant about it. None the less, it is a rather pointless thing to include...since the Rings were invisible, & were supposed to remain hidden.

12-14-2003, 11:12 AM	#7
Silmiel of Imladris Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Looking into a crystal ball- still see nothing Posts: 395	Are you guys sure it wasn't the loop cord on his staff that Gandalf had around his finger. He has it around his finger when he is talking to Saurman in the tower right before seeing the Palantire. When he does this it looks like he is wearing a ring so it may be the same in both scenes. I am not saying you guys are wrong but I will have to see it for myself if some one could tell me where to find it. __________________ Legolas 20 ales later: I feel something, a slight tingling in my fingers. I think it's affecting me. Figwit on his name: Are you suggesting that I have the wit of a fig?

12-14-2003, 02:17 PM	#8
Knight of Gondor Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Kentucky Posts: 744	I would have to know at what specific point in the mines is the Ring allegedly spotted. __________________ Eagerly awaiting the REAL Return of the King - Jesus Christ! Revelation 19:11-16

12-14-2003, 02:54 PM	#9
Tar-Alcarin Wight Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Numenore Posts: 108	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Are you guys sure it wasn't the loop cord on his staff that Gandalf had around his finger <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>It probably was that. It just looked a lot like what Narya shol hav looked like. __________________ Miniature Rohirrim armor: $500. Amount of fuel it took pippin to light the beacons: $20. Seeing your two favourite hobbits get wasted and drunk: priceless

12-14-2003, 02:58 PM	#10
manaratowen Pile O'Bones Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Wheaton Posts: 23	in the mirror og galadriel, it reads 'Yes,' she said, divining his thought, 'it is not permitted to speak of it, and Elrond could not do so. But it cannot be hidden from the Ring-bearer, and one who has seen the Eye. Verily it is in the land of Lorien upon the finger of Galadriel that one of the Three remains. This is Nenya, the RIng of Adament, and I am its keeper."<BR>i took this to mean that only another ring bearer, weather it be the one ring or any other, can see the other rings. __________________ "If we deny love that is given to us, if we refuse to give love because we fear the pain of loss, then our lives will be empty, our loss greater."