Arnor - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

lore_master · 11-10-2003, 03:58 PM

will there be any mentions or references to Arnor in the RotK movie. everywhere i've looked it doesnt say anything about Aragorn being king of the Gondor and Arnor, just Gondor whats going on?

Voralphion · 11-10-2003, 08:41 PM

I think only Gondor is mentioned in the movies is because it is easier to explain that he is the king of Gondor, not the rightful heir to another kingdom that doesn't exist anymore but had authority over the other kingdom that does. This way they can avoid having to explain in detail the history of the dunedain and the internal politics of Gondor, and why the claim wasn't previously accepted, but was with Aragorn.

Olorin_TLA · 11-11-2003, 11:44 AM

Well just saying the kingdom was destoryed is enough; the hsotility of Denethor to G, G's words to Pippin about this, ought ot cover it too.It's not going to confuse anyone...it's just watering things down. Which makes it less satisfying. So, you could say that LotR is like a fine(st) wine, but I ahte wine.

**lindil** · 11-11-2003, 01:47 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> It's not going to confuse anyone...it's just watering things down. Which makes it less satisfying.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I am afraid that is it. PJ doesn't want to put too much on the minds of his 'poor' viewers, heck, imagibne the fallout if he included unexplained references that might cause the moviegoers to look at the maps or [gasp] read the books...watered down indeed.

HCIsland · 11-11-2003, 02:51 PM

I could see the word popping up in an extended edition. Words like Imladris, Dunedan, Earendil, Elessar have been tossed around (especially in the extended editions). They zoom right over a non-book person's head, but I like the touch.I can't see them really explaining Arnor. If you explained how the kingdom fell, you would have to explain why the heir to Arnor is also the heir to Gondor. You would have to talk about Anarion (who's name hasn't even popped up) and the two lines of Elendil. I think it might be a little much to put in.H.C.

ArathorofBarahir · 11-11-2003, 03:23 PM

I think it will help those people who have only seen the movies, it keeps things simple. By the way lindil I think your comment about the moviegoers is a little too much, maybe those people who have only seen the movies have a good reason why they don't read the books. You should think about how your comments affect other people.[ November 11, 2003: Message edited by: ArathorofBarahir ]

**lindil** · 11-12-2003, 09:10 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>By the way lindil I think your comment about the moviegoers is a little too much, maybe those people who have only seen the movies have a good reason why they don't read the books. You should think about how your comments affect other people. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I do, and i did, and I stand by it. I feel only sadness for people whose sole or even primary experience of Middle-Earth is PJ's movies. IMO that would qualify as a tragedy.

ArathorofBarahir · 11-16-2003, 10:47 AM

I just have one more suggestion lindil, there are members of this site who have only seen the movies, so maybe you watch what you say, you might offend someone. But hey if you like to do that then go ahead.

Horse-Maiden of the Shire · 11-16-2003, 02:57 PM

I agree with HC about the possibility of Arnor popping up in the EE. I mean, remember the Extended of FotR? They put a bunch of stuff in there that had been in the books, and it made all of the book-readers happier because we thought, "Yes! I thought that part was cut and they put it in!" So that may just happen in RotK.

**The Saucepan Man** · 11-16-2003, 07:34 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> I feel only sadness for people whose sole or even primary experience of Middle-Earth is PJ's movies. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>And I am sure that they would feel touched by your concern, lindil. Seriously, however, there are many people who are really not interested in the books, but who are happy to watch the films. That is their choice and I am sure that they are content with it. Really, though, can it seriously be said that Arnor's omission detracts from these films in any way?

11-10-2003, 03:58 PM	#1
lore_master Wight Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Valhalla Posts: 116	Arnor will there be any mentions or references to Arnor in the RotK movie. <P>everywhere i've looked it doesnt say anything about Aragorn being king of the Gondor and Arnor, just Gondor whats going on? __________________ As you go the way of life, you will see a great chasm. Jump. It is not as wide as you think

11-10-2003, 08:41 PM	#2
Voralphion Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Sharkey's End Posts: 267	I think only Gondor is mentioned in the movies is because it is easier to explain that he is the king of Gondor, not the rightful heir to another kingdom that doesn't exist anymore but had authority over the other kingdom that does. This way they can avoid having to explain in detail the history of the dunedain and the internal politics of Gondor, and why the claim wasn't previously accepted, but was with Aragorn. __________________ His sword was long his lance was keen His shining helm afar was seen The countless stars of heavens field Were mirrored in his silver shield

11-11-2003, 11:44 AM	#3
Olorin_TLA Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Gardens of Lórien, Valinor. Posts: 420	Well just saying the kingdom was destoryed is enough; the hsotility of Denethor to G, G's words to Pippin about this, ought ot cover it too.<P>It's not going to confuse anyone...it's just watering things down. Which makes it less satisfying. So, you could say that LotR is like a fine(st) wine, but I ahte wine. __________________ "For I am Olórin! And Olórin means me!" ELENDIL! - Join "Forth Tolkiengas!"

11-11-2003, 01:47 PM	#4
lindil Seeker of the Straight Path Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: a hidden fastness in Big Valley nor cal Posts: 1,680	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> It's not going to confuse anyone...it's just watering things down. Which makes it less satisfying.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I am afraid that is it. PJ doesn't want to put too much on the minds of his 'poor' viewers, heck, imagibne the fallout if he included unexplained references that might cause the moviegoers to look at the maps or [gasp] read the books...<P>watered down indeed. __________________ The dwindling Men of the West would often sit up late into the night exchanging lore & wisdom such as they still possessed that they should not fall back into the mean estate of those who never knew or indeed rebelled against the Light.

11-11-2003, 02:51 PM	#5
HCIsland Zombie Cannibal Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,000	I could see the word popping up in an extended edition. Words like Imladris, Dunedan, Earendil, Elessar have been tossed around (especially in the extended editions). They zoom right over a non-book person's head, but I like the touch.<P>I can't see them really explaining Arnor. If you explained how the kingdom fell, you would have to explain why the heir to Arnor is also the heir to Gondor. You would have to talk about Anarion (who's name hasn't even popped up) and the two lines of Elendil. I think it might be a little much to put in.<P>H.C. __________________ "Stir not the bitterness in the cup that I mixed myself. Have I not tasted it now many nights upon my tongue, foreboding that worse yet lay in the dregs." -Denethor

11-11-2003, 03:23 PM	#6
ArathorofBarahir Wight Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Crickhallow Posts: 247	I think it will help those people who have only seen the movies, it keeps things simple. By the way lindil I think your comment about the moviegoers is a little too much, maybe those people who have only seen the movies have a good reason why they don't read the books. You should think about how your comments affect other people.<p>[ November 11, 2003: Message edited by: ArathorofBarahir ] __________________ King of the Dead: The dead do not suffer the living to pass. Aragorn: You will suffer me.

11-12-2003, 09:10 AM	#7
lindil Seeker of the Straight Path Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: a hidden fastness in Big Valley nor cal Posts: 1,680	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>By the way lindil I think your comment about the moviegoers is a little too much, maybe those people who have only seen the movies have a good reason why they don't read the books. You should think about how your comments affect other people. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I do, and i did, and I stand by it. <P>I feel only sadness for people whose sole or even primary experience of Middle-Earth is PJ's movies. <P>IMO that would qualify as a tragedy. __________________ The dwindling Men of the West would often sit up late into the night exchanging lore & wisdom such as they still possessed that they should not fall back into the mean estate of those who never knew or indeed rebelled against the Light.

11-16-2003, 10:47 AM	#8
ArathorofBarahir Wight Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Crickhallow Posts: 247	I just have one more suggestion lindil, there are members of this site who have only seen the movies, so maybe you watch what you say, you might offend someone. <P>But hey if you like to do that then go ahead. __________________ King of the Dead: The dead do not suffer the living to pass. Aragorn: You will suffer me.

11-16-2003, 02:57 PM	#9
Horse-Maiden of the Shire Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Chillaxin' with Glorfindel-441 miles on the RtR Posts: 1,197	I agree with HC about the possibility of Arnor popping up in the EE. I mean, remember the Extended of FotR? They put a bunch of stuff in there that had been in the books, and it made all of the book-readers happier because we thought, "Yes! I thought that part was cut and they put it in!" So that may just happen in RotK. __________________ "There's a big...machine in the sky...some kind of electric snake...coming straight at us." "Shoot it," said my attorney. "Not yet...I want to study its habits."

11-16-2003, 07:34 PM	#10
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> I feel only sadness for people whose sole or even primary experience of Middle-Earth is PJ's movies. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>And I am sure that they would feel touched by your concern, lindil. Seriously, however, there are many people who are really not interested in the books, but who are happy to watch the films. That is their choice and I am sure that they are content with it. <P>Really, though, can it seriously be said that Arnor's omission detracts from these films in any way? __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!