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10-11-2003, 07:39 PM

do you think they will show denethor go crazy and try to kill himself and faromir in the rotk movie

Finwe · 10-11-2003, 07:46 PM

Since the Denethor-Faramir scenes are an integral part of the story, I don't think Peter Jackson would leave them out. That would honestly be really stretching it. By the way, isatri, next time you create a topic, use the search function at the top of the page to find out whether ones on the same topic already exist. I'm sure that there are quite a few Denethor threads or movie speculation threads open, so next time, check. It creates less clutter when you do that.

Liriodendron · 10-11-2003, 07:47 PM

Well yeah! Why not! Denethor is so flaked out from palantir viewing, there's not much else for him to do! Seriously, I get slightly annoyed the way Denethor's far reaching "knowledge" and "vision" get mentioned practically every time his name comes up! Denethor's motto..."I knew that!" Anyway...that's a dramatic moment that will play well! It better be in there!

Everdawn · 10-12-2003, 02:04 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>do you think they will show denethor go crazy and try to kill himself and faromir in the rotk movie <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Ask Meela.

Estelyn Telcontar · 10-12-2003, 07:03 AM

There are quite a few threads which speculate on the upcoming RotK movie, so it's a good idea to use the search function (top right of page), enter Denethor and enjoy what comes up. However, since none of those are specifically about Denethor, this thread can continue. Please do give reasons for your answers or suggest ways you'd like to see it done.

Meela · 10-12-2003, 08:47 AM

Yes, ask Meela Meela happens to know that it will be shown. Well, she read an article where this guy was on set watching John Noble and David Wenham filming, and according to him or John Noble, everything happens, like Faramir almost getting toasted, etc. Plus, why on earth would it not happen? They can't really have Denethor live and show him smiling happily at Faramir's wedding...Can't find the article right now...

Beanamir of Gondor · 10-14-2003, 10:27 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> "So be it!" cried Denethor. "But not with your death only, Lord Faramir: with the death of also your father, and of all your people, whom it is your part to protect now that Boromir is gone." "Do you wish then," said Faramir, "that our places had been exchanged?" "Yes, I wish that indeed," said Denethor. "For Boromir was loyal to me and no wizard's pupil." Chapter 4, Part I, ROTK <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I love Boromir (obviously) but that was totally uncalled for. Poor Faramir. They'd better put in that part with Denethor killing himself, cause I like that he died suffering. MWA HA HA HA HA!

Essex · 10-14-2003, 11:09 AM

I've posted on this very query a year or so ago on another forum.I predicted that they would NOT show the pyre scene. My main reasoning was how jackson could get this past the censors and still have a PG12 (english rating) movie?Evidence of this not happening might come from the fact that we see Pippin on shadowfax with gandalf as the witch king approaches MT on his winged beast? as we know, the main plot is that pippin stops gandalf at this very moment and calls him back to the citadel. how could he know what's happening if he's with gandalf?I hope I am wrong, and that you lot out there have a plausible reason for this. Or does this mean ANOTHER plot change from the book?

HCIsland · 10-14-2003, 02:13 PM

I was convinced that was the Witch King as well, but now that I've seen that pic of him (in another thread) it is clear that Gandalf and Pippin are facing another Nazgul.I would guess that the confrontation at the gates as already occured and Pippin and Gandalf are on their way to save Faramir when a second Nazgul blocks their way. Way to tighten the screws, PJ. Personally, I can't imagine how the scene won't be there. I can't see how else to resolve the Denethor character. People have been burned to death in PG-13 movies before, I doubt it will be an issue.H.C.

Silmiel of Imladris · 10-14-2003, 02:41 PM

I don't think ratings will be an issue either because all PJ has to show is Denethor jumping into the fire and just have the flames jump up around him to make his death implied. It doesn't have to be graphic with burning flesh and screaming to get the point across.[ October 14, 2003: Message edited by: Silmiel of Imladris ]

The Only Real Estel · 10-14-2003, 02:54 PM

I don't think there's any chance of PJ leaving that out. Changing a character's one thing, but that would be quite another.

Aethelwine · 10-15-2003, 10:56 AM

I agree with all of you. How could PJ leave that scene out? I mean, if he didn't leave it in, then how are they going to get Denethor of the throne? There's evidence (pieces of the movie) of him saying that he will not bow to a ranger of the north (way to go, Denethor! ). And then, IF they don't let him die, after the war of the ring, he just stands down? "Sure Aragorn, all of the sudden, without a reason, I like you so much that I let you take you rightful place."? Sure.And, by the way, PJ wouldn't dare take that scene out. Think of Meela! I'm sure PJ's way to terrified to change anything about Denethor because of our beloved Denethor-obsessie... BTW, Meela, have you found the article yet?Navaer! Aethelwine.

Meela · 10-15-2003, 11:06 AM

Haven't found the article every time I really want to find something, I never can.*runs after PJ armed with a pitchfork*He won't change anything...

Lily Bracegirdle · 10-15-2003, 12:41 PM

In Quickbeam's "Out on a Limb" section of the Greenbooks at theOneRing.net, he talks about visiting the shoot in NZ. He doesn't watch the shooting of Denethor's death, but sees the aftermath, charred floor and all. The "Ian" referred to in this passage is Ian McKellan, Quickbeam's tour guide, lucky Ent! <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Down another hall I found myself in the Silent Street.... the Rath Dínen.... and within was a larger tomb where lay the Stewards of Minas Tirith. Fittingly, the space was quiet and grey. Only the work lights glowed softly overhead. With a glint in his eye, Ian said, "This is the leftover set where we filmed the Pyre of Denethor last week. I came crashing down that ramp on Shadowfax. Quite a dramatic entrance!" I admired the plywood walls, convincingly painted like ancient marble. Along the perimeter loomed a dozen bas relief figures "carved" into the wall. Nearly two meters tall, these specter-like forms were draped with robes covering all the features of the face. Each figure held a down-pointed sword. VERY chilling indeed! Lo and behold! Each tomb had a name and date below its mysterious Grim Reaper figure. I walked around the room, reading each one. They were accurate! These weren’t just made up names like Underdog or Henry Kissinger. I recognized them from Appendix A: ‘Annals of the Kings and Rulers.’ Mardil 2080 – Belecthor I 2655 – Ecthelion I 2698Brilliant! How totally brilliant to apply this much effort to something that will hardly register on the screen. When you sit in the theatre watching The Return of the King you probably won’t even notice them. So why put them there? Think about it: somebody at WETA spent a lot of time going through the Appendices and assigning very clever artisans to create gorgeous, creepy sculptures – with accurate nameplates. The object was for the actors to be surrounded by "history" and, for obvious reasons, to help center their performances. Fidelity of this grade is significant, I feel, and I would see plenty more of it during the rest of my visit. The room took on a new aura. I had a sense of true place. A raised platform stood center where the pyre had burned. It was charred and black. Although the props, fuel, and actors were gone the horror still weighed oppressively in the air. Denethor’s raging madness. The bloodshed. The screaming. I had to get out. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>If you want to read the rest of the story go here: <A HREF="http://greenbooks.theonering.net/quickbeam/files/nz_part1.html" TARGET=_blank>Where the Stars are Strange</A>-Lily

Arwen1858 · 10-15-2003, 01:16 PM

I don't see how they could not include that scene. The rating won't be a problem. I've seen a PG movie where someone was burned to death, you just don't see everything. Thay should definately be in there. I'm glad to know they filmed it!! At least Meela can relax a little. Arwen

Arveleg · 10-16-2003, 08:33 AM

Oh the scene will be included. I just found <A HREF="http://www.theonering.net/staticnews/1066104923.html" TARGET=_blank>this review of a 20 minute screening</A> on TORN. They probably had a non-disclosure clause so dont talk too much about stuff, but it does offer some insights.[ October 16, 2003: Message edited by: Arveleg ]

Everdawn · 10-17-2003, 06:47 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> People have been burned to death in PG-13 movies before, I doubt it will be an issue. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Yay! Now i dont mean ot sound morbid, but how much wouuld that up the emotional tempo of the movie!! Man im so excited about having my emotions torn about the place Ill have to invest in the Kleenex company.

Knight of Gondor · 10-17-2003, 08:50 PM

Yes, I was interested in that 20 minute preview or whatever, but a few problems prevented me. First, I was in no mood to be attacked with language that would make an orc blush. Second, my computer doesn't handle video well...at ALL. Can you guys talk about it? Maybe one of you who has seen it can post a new post about it. I'm sure photos from it will be turning up on the net sooner or later.

Meela · 10-19-2003, 09:04 AM

What? You can see the footage? I thought it was just an article explaining the footage. If you do get photos, send them over to me at once!

Meneltarmacil · 10-24-2003, 03:00 PM

I think <A HREF="http://www.theonering.net/scrapbook/group/1056/view/9175" TARGET=_blank>this</A> ends the debate.

**The Saucepan Man** · 10-24-2003, 07:52 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> I think this ends the debate. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Nah, that's just Denethor being prudent and stocking up the wood supplies for a long seige. You see, he even got Faramir to lie on top of the stack to protect it.

doug*platypus · 12-16-2003, 05:24 PM

Ah, mirth! Great call Saucepan, LOL! That is quite a bit of wood. Look at all those faggots!! Sorry, but you have to admit that's a word you don't often get to use as its original meaning. Is this grubby customer really supposed to be the Steward of Gondor, Lord of the White City and Commander of the armies of Minas Tirith?! I say burn him now, and next time don't forget to consult Alan Lee before releasing a character from the makeup hut.

Liriodendron · 12-16-2003, 05:40 PM

He looks liked a poorly aged rock star...sort of. Keith Richards meets Ozzy = movie Denethor

Meneltarmacil · 12-16-2003, 09:32 PM

Please don't let Meela catch you saying that... or you might wish you were wearing asbestos pants.

Meela · 12-17-2003, 09:34 AM

*strikes a match*

Liriodendron · 12-17-2003, 09:55 PM

Oops!

10-11-2003, 07:39 PM	#1
isatri Guest Posts: n/a	Denethor do you think they will show denethor go crazy and try to kill himself and faromir in the rotk movie

10-11-2003, 07:46 PM	#2
Finwe Deathless Sun Join Date: May 2003 Location: The Royal Suite in the Halls of Mandos Posts: 2,609	Since the Denethor-Faramir scenes are an integral part of the story, I don't think Peter Jackson would leave them out. That would honestly be really stretching it.<P><BR>By the way, <I>isatri</I>, next time you create a topic, use the search function at the top of the page to find out whether ones on the same topic already exist. I'm sure that there are quite a few Denethor threads or movie speculation threads open, so next time, check. It creates less clutter when you do that. __________________ But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.

10-11-2003, 07:47 PM	#3
Liriodendron Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Indiana Posts: 527	Well yeah! Why not! Denethor is so flaked out from palantir viewing, there's not much else for him to do! Seriously, I get slightly annoyed the way Denethor's far reaching "knowledge" and "vision" get mentioned practically every time his name comes up! Denethor's motto..."I knew that!" Anyway...that's a dramatic moment that will play well! It better be in there! __________________ http://www.lizmargason.com

10-12-2003, 02:04 AM	#4
Everdawn Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: On the sand dunes outside of Ilium, watching it burn. Posts: 1,291	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>do you think they will show denethor go crazy and try to kill himself and faromir in the rotk movie <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Ask Meela. __________________ "Athena, stepping up behind him, visible to no one but Achillies, gripped his red-gold hair. Startled he made a half turn, and he knew her upon the instant for Athena." ~The Iliad~ ~My lord, Éomer~

10-12-2003, 07:03 AM	#5
Estelyn Telcontar Princess of Skwerlz Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: where the Sea is eastwards (WtR: 6060 miles) Posts: 7,500	There are quite a few threads which speculate on the upcoming RotK movie, so it's a good idea to use the search function (top right of page), enter Denethor and enjoy what comes up. However, since none of those are specifically about Denethor, this thread can continue. Please do give reasons for your answers or suggest ways you'd like to see it done. __________________ 'Mercy!' cried Gandalf. 'If the giving of information is to be the cure of your inquisitiveness, I shall spend all the rest of my days in answering you. What more do you want to know?' 'The whole history of Middle-earth...'

10-12-2003, 08:47 AM	#6
Meela Denethor's True Love Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Mirkwood. With Thranduil... swoon Posts: 2,049	Yes, ask Meela <P>Meela happens to know that it will be shown. Well, she read an article where this guy was on set watching John Noble and David Wenham filming, and according to him or John Noble, everything happens, like Faramir almost getting toasted, etc. <P>Plus, why on earth would it not happen? They can't really have Denethor live and show him smiling happily at Faramir's wedding...<P>Can't find the article right now... __________________ 'The Hobbit' 1st impressions: 1. Thorin is hot... Oh god, I fancy a dwarf. 2. Thranduil is hotter. 3. Is that... Figwit! 4. Does Elijah Wood never age? 2nd: It's all about Fili & Kili, really. 3rd: BARD! OMG, Bard.

10-14-2003, 10:27 AM	#7
Beanamir of Gondor Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: the Shadow Gallery Posts: 276	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> "So be it!" cried Denethor. "But not with your death only, Lord Faramir: with the death of also your father, and of all your people, whom it is your part to protect now that Boromir is gone."<BR>"Do you wish then," said Faramir, "that our places had been exchanged?"<BR>"Yes, I wish that indeed," said Denethor. "For Boromir was loyal to me and no wizard's pupil." <BR>Chapter 4, Part I, ROTK <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I love Boromir (obviously) but that was totally uncalled for. Poor Faramir. They'd better put in that part with Denethor killing himself, cause I like that he died suffering. MWA HA HA HA HA! __________________ The answer to life is no longer 42. It's 4 8 15 16 23... 42. "I only lent you my body; you lent me your dream."

10-14-2003, 11:09 AM	#8
Essex Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Essex, England Posts: 886	I've posted on this very query a year or so ago on another forum.<P>I predicted that they would NOT show the pyre scene. My main reasoning was how jackson could get this past the censors and still have a PG12 (english rating) movie?<P>Evidence of this not happening might come from the fact that we see Pippin on shadowfax with gandalf as the witch king approaches MT on his winged beast? as we know, the main plot is that pippin stops gandalf at this very moment and calls him back to the citadel. how could he know what's happening if he's with gandalf?<P>I hope I am wrong, and that you lot out there have a plausible reason for this. Or does this mean ANOTHER plot change from the book?

10-14-2003, 02:13 PM	#9
HCIsland Zombie Cannibal Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,000	I was convinced that was the Witch King as well, but now that I've seen that pic of him (in another thread) it is clear that Gandalf and Pippin are facing another Nazgul.<P>I would guess that the confrontation at the gates as already occured and Pippin and Gandalf are on their way to save Faramir when a second Nazgul blocks their way. Way to tighten the screws, PJ. <P>Personally, I can't imagine how the scene won't be there. I can't see how else to resolve the Denethor character. People have been burned to death in PG-13 movies before, I doubt it will be an issue.<P>H.C. __________________ "Stir not the bitterness in the cup that I mixed myself. Have I not tasted it now many nights upon my tongue, foreboding that worse yet lay in the dregs." -Denethor

10-14-2003, 02:41 PM	#10
Silmiel of Imladris Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Looking into a crystal ball- still see nothing Posts: 395	I don't think ratings will be an issue either because all PJ has to show is Denethor jumping into the fire and just have the flames jump up around him to make his death implied. It doesn't have to be graphic with burning flesh and screaming to get the point across.<p>[ October 14, 2003: Message edited by: Silmiel of Imladris ] __________________ Legolas 20 ales later: I feel something, a slight tingling in my fingers. I think it's affecting me. Figwit on his name: Are you suggesting that I have the wit of a fig?

10-14-2003, 02:54 PM	#11
The Only Real Estel Raffish Rapscallion Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Far from the 'Downs, it seems :-( Posts: 2,835	I don't think there's any chance of PJ leaving <B>that</B> out. Changing a character's one thing, but that would be quite another.

10-15-2003, 10:56 AM	#12
Aethelwine Wight Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: In Anórien, just outside Edoras, on a horse I "borrowed"... Posts: 150	I agree with all of you. How could PJ leave that scene out? I mean, if he didn't leave it in, then how are they going to get Denethor of the throne? There's evidence (pieces of the movie) of him saying that he will not bow to a ranger of the north (way to go, Denethor! ). And then, IF they don't let him die, after the war of the ring, he just stands down? "Sure Aragorn, all of the sudden, without a reason, I like you so much that I let you take you rightful place."? Sure.<P>And, by the way, PJ wouldn't dare take that scene out. Think of Meela! I'm sure PJ's way to terrified to change <I>anything</I> about Denethor because of our beloved Denethor-obsessie...<BR>BTW, Meela, have you found the article yet?<P>Navaer! <P>Aethelwine. __________________ Nelly, I am Heathcliff! He's always, always in my mind--not as a pleasure, any more than I am always a pleasure to myself, but as my own being. - Catherine to Nelly, Wuthering Heights

10-15-2003, 11:06 AM	#13
Meela Denethor's True Love Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Mirkwood. With Thranduil... swoon Posts: 2,049	Haven't found the article every time I really want to find something, I never can.<P>runs after PJ armed with a pitchfork<P>He won't change anything... __________________ 'The Hobbit' 1st impressions: 1. Thorin is hot... Oh god, I fancy a dwarf. 2. Thranduil is hotter. 3. Is that... Figwit! 4. Does Elijah Wood never age? 2nd: It's all about Fili & Kili, really. 3rd: BARD! OMG, Bard.

10-15-2003, 12:41 PM	#14
Lily Bracegirdle Wight Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Bree Posts: 210	In Quickbeam's "Out on a Limb" section of the Greenbooks at theOneRing.net, he talks about visiting the shoot in NZ. He doesn't watch the shooting of Denethor's death, but sees the aftermath, charred floor and all. The "Ian" referred to in this passage is Ian McKellan, Quickbeam's tour guide, lucky Ent!<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Down another hall I found myself in the Silent Street.... the Rath Dínen.... and within was a larger tomb where lay the Stewards of Minas Tirith. Fittingly, the space was quiet and grey. Only the work lights glowed softly overhead. <P>With a glint in his eye, Ian said, "This is the leftover set where we filmed the Pyre of Denethor last week. I came crashing down that ramp on Shadowfax. Quite a dramatic entrance!" <P>I admired the plywood walls, convincingly painted like ancient marble. Along the perimeter loomed a dozen bas relief figures "carved" into the wall. Nearly two meters tall, these specter-like forms were draped with robes covering all the features of the face. Each figure held a down-pointed sword. VERY chilling indeed! <P>Lo and behold! Each tomb had a name and date below its mysterious Grim Reaper figure. I walked around the room, reading each one. They were accurate! These weren’t just made up names like Underdog or Henry Kissinger. I recognized them from Appendix A: ‘Annals of the Kings and Rulers.’ <P>Mardil 2080 – Belecthor I 2655 – Ecthelion I 2698<P>Brilliant! How totally brilliant to apply this much effort to something that will hardly register on the screen. When you sit in the theatre watching The Return of the King you probably won’t even notice them. So why put them there? <P>Think about it: somebody at WETA spent a lot of time going through the Appendices and assigning very clever artisans to create gorgeous, creepy sculptures – with accurate nameplates. The object was for the actors to be surrounded by "history" and, for obvious reasons, to help center their performances. Fidelity of this grade is significant, I feel, and I would see plenty more of it during the rest of my visit. <P>The room took on a new aura. I had a sense of true place. A raised platform stood center where the pyre had burned. It was charred and black. Although the props, fuel, and actors were gone the horror still weighed oppressively in the air. Denethor’s raging madness. The bloodshed. The screaming. <P>I had to get out.<BR><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>If you want to read the rest of the story go here:<BR><A HREF="http://greenbooks.theonering.net/quickbeam/files/nz_part1.html" TARGET=_blank>Where the Stars are Strange</A><P>-Lily __________________ "But nay: the praise of the praiseworthy is above all rewards." - Faramir

10-15-2003, 01:16 PM	#15
Arwen1858 Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Gondor Posts: 516	I don't see how they could <I>not</I> include that scene. The rating won't be a problem. I've seen a PG movie where someone was burned to death, you just don't see everything. Thay should definately be in there. I'm glad to know they filmed it!! At least Meela can relax a little.<BR>Arwen __________________ Will Turner: "This is either madness or brilliance." Jack Sparrow: "It's remarkable how often those two traits coincide." ~ Pirates of the Caribbean

10-16-2003, 08:33 AM	#16
Arveleg Pile O'Bones Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Annúminas Posts: 21	Oh the scene will be included.<BR>I just found <A HREF="http://www.theonering.net/staticnews/1066104923.html" TARGET=_blank>this review of a 20 minute screening</A> on TORN. They probably had a non-disclosure clause so dont talk too much about stuff, but it does offer some insights.<p>[ October 16, 2003: Message edited by: Arveleg ]

10-17-2003, 06:47 PM	#17
Everdawn Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: On the sand dunes outside of Ilium, watching it burn. Posts: 1,291	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> People have been burned to death in PG-13 movies before, I doubt it will be an issue.<BR> <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Yay! Now i dont mean ot sound morbid, but how much wouuld that up the emotional tempo of the movie!! Man im so excited about having my emotions torn about the place Ill have to invest in the Kleenex company. __________________ "Athena, stepping up behind him, visible to no one but Achillies, gripped his red-gold hair. Startled he made a half turn, and he knew her upon the instant for Athena." ~The Iliad~ ~My lord, Éomer~

10-17-2003, 08:50 PM	#18
Knight of Gondor Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Kentucky Posts: 744	Yes, I was interested in that 20 minute preview or whatever, but a few problems prevented me. First, I was in no mood to be attacked with language that would make an orc blush. Second, my computer doesn't handle video well...at ALL. Can you guys talk about it? Maybe one of you who has seen it can post a new post about it. I'm sure photos from it will be turning up on the net sooner or later. __________________ Eagerly awaiting the REAL Return of the King - Jesus Christ! Revelation 19:11-16

10-19-2003, 09:04 AM	#19
Meela Denethor's True Love Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Mirkwood. With Thranduil... swoon Posts: 2,049	What? You can see the footage? I thought it was just an article explaining the footage. If you do get photos, send them over to me at once! __________________ 'The Hobbit' 1st impressions: 1. Thorin is hot... Oh god, I fancy a dwarf. 2. Thranduil is hotter. 3. Is that... Figwit! 4. Does Elijah Wood never age? 2nd: It's all about Fili & Kili, really. 3rd: BARD! OMG, Bard.

10-24-2003, 03:00 PM	#20
Meneltarmacil Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: The bottom of the ocean, discussing philosophy with a giant squid Posts: 2,254	I think <A HREF="http://www.theonering.net/scrapbook/group/1056/view/9175" TARGET=_blank>this</A> ends the debate. __________________ I ♣ baby seals.

10-24-2003, 07:52 PM	#21
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> I think this ends the debate. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Nah, that's just Denethor being prudent and stocking up the wood supplies for a long seige. You see, he even got Faramir to lie on top of the stack to protect it. __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

12-16-2003, 05:24 PM	#22
doug*platypus Delver in the Deep Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Aotearoa Posts: 960	Ah, mirth! Great call Saucepan, LOL! That <I>is</I> quite a bit of wood. Look at all those faggots!! Sorry, but you have to admit that's a word you don't often get to use as its original meaning.<P> <P>Is this grubby customer really supposed to be the Steward of Gondor, Lord of the White City and Commander of the armies of Minas Tirith?! I say burn him now, and next time don't forget to consult Alan Lee before releasing a character from the makeup hut. __________________ But Gwindor answered: 'The doom lies in yourself, not in your name'.

12-16-2003, 05:40 PM	#23
Liriodendron Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Indiana Posts: 527	He looks liked a poorly aged rock star...sort of. Keith Richards meets Ozzy = movie Denethor __________________ http://www.lizmargason.com

12-16-2003, 09:32 PM	#24
Meneltarmacil Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: The bottom of the ocean, discussing philosophy with a giant squid Posts: 2,254	Please don't let Meela catch you saying that... or you might wish you were wearing asbestos pants. __________________ I ♣ baby seals.

12-17-2003, 09:34 AM	#25
Meela Denethor's True Love Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Mirkwood. With Thranduil... swoon Posts: 2,049	strikes a match __________________ 'The Hobbit' 1st impressions: 1. Thorin is hot... Oh god, I fancy a dwarf. 2. Thranduil is hotter. 3. Is that... Figwit! 4. Does Elijah Wood never age? 2nd: It's all about Fili & Kili, really. 3rd: BARD! OMG, Bard.

12-17-2003, 09:55 PM	#26
Liriodendron Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Indiana Posts: 527	Oops! __________________ http://www.lizmargason.com