Power of Nazgul - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Gil-Galad · 10-04-2003, 08:05 PM

you know, a funny thought came over me while watching LOTR FOTR when Frodo got stabbed, Strider said that he is becoming a Nazgul, well i thought that why didn't the Nazgul stab lots of peopel so they have a army of Nazguls? If that were true then an Army of Nazguls whould surely be hte best army

10-04-2003, 09:10 PM

i could be way off base here but frodo was a ringbearer most likely everyone else they stabbed were not.[ October 04, 2003: Message edited by: Bashbrug the Thug ]

HCIsland · 10-04-2003, 09:35 PM

Actually, I believe Aragorn said that Frodo was becoming a wraith, not necessarily one of the Nazgul. I never took it that Frodo was going to become anything powerful, just that he was fading out.H.C.

Arwen1858 · 10-05-2003, 12:50 AM

The Nazgul weren't just wraiths, they were Ring-Wraiths. So, just because Frodo's becoming a wraith doesn't mean he'll be a Nazgul. There is a difference. Nazg is ring in the black language, so it isn't just an ordainary wraith. Hope this clears things up a little, anyways. If that isn't very clear, let me know, and I'll try again. It's late, and I'm tired, and my brain doesn't always operate well under those conditions! Arwen

Gil-Galad · 10-05-2003, 09:34 AM

in the movie Aragorn said that Frodo is becomign a wraith LIKE them, so i woudl guess he would become a Nazgul...

Lyta_Underhill · 10-05-2003, 11:16 AM

Actually, I think it is delineated in the book that he would become a wraith, but weaker and under the control of the Nine. Cheers, Lyta

Elvish Archer · 10-05-2003, 11:47 AM

Madam Underhill is correct. A distinction was made in the books.

ArathorofBarahir · 10-05-2003, 12:28 PM

I agree with Lyta_Underhill. When Frodo was stabbed he would eventually pass into the shadow world and become a wraith howver he would be weaker than the nine, and therefore he would be under there control.

dragoneyes · 10-05-2003, 12:38 PM

Gil-Galad does have a point though, if everyone were wraiths and under the control of the nine then Sauron wouldn't have much problem gaining control of Moddle Earth. Perhaps Everytime they stabbed someone the blade evaporated and they couldn't make that many blades...

Gil-Galad · 10-05-2003, 02:17 PM

I thought that only the Nazgul could use the Morgul blades? if somebody else touched the mthey turn to dust

Iargwath · 10-05-2003, 10:23 PM

Yes there was a rather detailed description of what was happening to Frodo in the books as a result of being pierced by the Morgul-knife. Gandalf spoke these words to Frodo: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>"They tried to pierce your heart with a Morgul-knife which remains in the wound. If they had succeeded, you would have become like they are, only weaker and under their command. You would have become a wraith under the dominion of the Dark Lord; and he would have tormented you for trying to Keep his Ring, if any greater torment were possible than being robbed of it and seeing it on his hand." The Fellowship of the Ring: Many Meetings<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

10-04-2003, 08:05 PM	#1
Gil-Galad Psyche of Prince Immortal Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Above a Parapet Obvious exits are: North, South, and Dennis Posts: 4,734	Power of Nazgul you know, a funny thought came over me while watching LOTR FOTR when Frodo got stabbed, Strider said that he is becoming a Nazgul, well i thought that why didn't the Nazgul stab lots of peopel so they have a army of Nazguls? If that were true then an Army of Nazguls whould surely be hte best army __________________ Love doesn't blow up and get killed.

10-04-2003, 09:10 PM	#2
Bashbrug the Thug Guest Posts: n/a	i could be way off base here but frodo was a ringbearer <BR>most likely everyone else they stabbed were not.<p>[ October 04, 2003: Message edited by: Bashbrug the Thug ]

10-04-2003, 09:35 PM	#3
HCIsland Zombie Cannibal Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,000	Actually, I believe Aragorn said that Frodo was becoming a wraith, not necessarily one of the Nazgul. I never took it that Frodo was going to become anything powerful, just that he was fading out.<P>H.C. __________________ "Stir not the bitterness in the cup that I mixed myself. Have I not tasted it now many nights upon my tongue, foreboding that worse yet lay in the dregs." -Denethor

10-05-2003, 12:50 AM	#4
Arwen1858 Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Gondor Posts: 516	The Nazgul weren't just wraiths, they were Ring-Wraiths. So, just because Frodo's becoming a wraith doesn't mean he'll be a Nazgul. There is a difference. <I>Nazg</I> is ring in the black language, so it isn't just an ordainary wraith. <BR>Hope this clears things up a little, anyways. If that isn't very clear, let me know, and I'll try again. It's late, and I'm tired, and my brain doesn't always operate well under those conditions!<BR>Arwen __________________ Will Turner: "This is either madness or brilliance." Jack Sparrow: "It's remarkable how often those two traits coincide." ~ Pirates of the Caribbean

10-05-2003, 09:34 AM	#5
Gil-Galad Psyche of Prince Immortal Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Above a Parapet Obvious exits are: North, South, and Dennis Posts: 4,734	in the movie Aragorn said that Frodo is becomign a wraith LIKE them, so i woudl guess he would become a Nazgul... __________________ Love doesn't blow up and get killed.

10-05-2003, 11:16 AM	#6
Lyta_Underhill Haunted Halfling Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: an uncounted length of steps--floating between air molecules Posts: 841	Actually, I think it is delineated in the book that he would become a wraith, but weaker and under the control of the Nine. <P>Cheers,<BR>Lyta __________________ “…she laid herself to rest upon Cerin Amroth; and there is her green grave, until the world is changed, and all the days of her life are utterly forgotten by men that come after, and elanor and niphredil bloom no more east of the Sea.”

10-05-2003, 11:47 AM	#7
Elvish Archer Animated Skeleton Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Land of Insanity, State of Denial Posts: 36	Madam Underhill is correct. A distinction was made in the books. __________________ Fan of LotR, before it was a fad. He who laughs last, thinks slowest.

10-05-2003, 12:28 PM	#8
ArathorofBarahir Wight Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Crickhallow Posts: 247	I agree with Lyta_Underhill. When Frodo was stabbed he would eventually pass into the shadow world and become a wraith howver he would be weaker than the nine, and therefore he would be under there control. __________________ King of the Dead: The dead do not suffer the living to pass. Aragorn: You will suffer me.

10-05-2003, 12:38 PM	#9
dragoneyes Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Completely lost track, sorry! Posts: 733	Gil-Galad does have a point though, if everyone were wraiths and under the control of the nine then Sauron wouldn't have much problem gaining control of Moddle Earth. Perhaps Everytime they stabbed someone the blade evaporated and they couldn't make that many blades... __________________ "We might succeed in roasting Pippin alive inside." - Frodo.

10-05-2003, 02:17 PM	#10
Gil-Galad Psyche of Prince Immortal Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Above a Parapet Obvious exits are: North, South, and Dennis Posts: 4,734	I thought that only the Nazgul could use the Morgul blades? if somebody else touched the mthey turn to dust __________________ Love doesn't blow up and get killed.

10-05-2003, 10:23 PM	#11
Iargwath Wight Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 236	Yes there was a rather detailed description of what was happening to Frodo in the books as a result of being pierced by the Morgul-knife. Gandalf spoke these words to Frodo:<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>"They tried to pierce your heart with a Morgul-knife which remains in the wound. If they had succeeded, you would have become like they are, only weaker and under their command. You would have become a wraith under the dominion of the Dark Lord; and he would have tormented you for trying to Keep his Ring, if any greater torment were possible than being robbed of it and seeing it on his hand."<BR><I>The Fellowship of the Ring: Many Meetings</I><HR></BLOCKQUOTE> __________________ 'I waited patiently for the Lord; and He inclined to me, and heard my cry'-Psalm 40 My M-e Forum