Halbarad? **SPOILERS** - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

peonydeepdelver · 08-28-2003, 03:58 PM

I recently found this picture, and wondered what you guys thought. It may be Halbarad, which means that maybe the Rangers may be in ROTK after all...<A HREF="http://www.warofthering.net/photos/rotkmiscellaneous/images/rotk003_ranger.jpg" TARGET=_blank>Halbarad?</A>

HCIsland · 08-28-2003, 04:33 PM

Wow!I'd completely written off the Dunedain of the north. His clothing doesn't match Faramir's men. His clothing and hair colour would suggest a relationship with Aragorn.It is clear from the RotK previews that Aragorn, Legolas and Gimli walk the Paths of the Dead alone though.Wierd. I gotta ponder.H.C.

Snowdog · 08-28-2003, 04:34 PM

Cool! Will he be the 'dramatic death' of the third movie as Haldir was in the second, and Boromir was in the first? We will see!

**The Saucepan Man** · 08-28-2003, 07:31 PM

Yes, my first thought was that it is one of Faranir's men. But, as HC says, the clothing doesn't match. It is far more akin to Aragorn's costume.Excellent! There is hope yet. <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> It is clear from the RotK previews that Aragorn, Legolas and Gimli walk the Paths of the Dead alone though. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Well, it does seem that Aragorn, Legolas and Gimli enter the Paths alone. But maybe the Dunedain folow them in. It would seem strange to have them turn up and then not accompany Aragorn on the Paths. And that shot does look like it is in caves of some sort ...Anyone recognise the blurred figure in the background?

Meneltarmacil · 08-28-2003, 07:44 PM

But then again, he could be Beregond or one of the Gondorian soldiers..... who knows who he is?

**The Saucepan Man** · 08-28-2003, 07:49 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> he could be Beregond or one of the Gondorian soldiers <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Nah - no White Tree. And the Gondorian soldiers are all wearing plate armour in the clips that I have seen.Perhaps it's a radically alternative portrayal of Ghan-Buri-Ghan.

Carrûn · 08-28-2003, 08:01 PM

I'm not holding my breath but it would definately make my day.Although that guy doesn't seem to represent the picture I had of Halbarad in my mind...seems too...(insert word I can't think of here)

Maéglin · 08-29-2003, 04:28 AM

It could be just me but that picture looks slightly edited... like its just Aragorn's body with a different face However I am excited if they do include the Dunedain of the North in the last film. I mean Halbarad only came with.. 20? of the Rangers yet they seemed so overworldly that Theoden said something like "...if they are anything alike to yourself Lord Aragorn, then they will be a strength that cannot be counted by heads."

Arafangwen · 08-29-2003, 09:32 AM

I belive it could be him. If any of you would notice, the address is rotk003_ranger.jpg, so indicating that he is, in most likelyhood, a ranger. Not addressing the issue of who he is in particular mind you. As you can see, there is light coming from two directions behind him and it appears that there is moonlight reflecting off a pool or something of the sort before him. Therefore, I strongly doubt that he is treading the Paths of the Dead in this particular picture, as they would not contain the kind of brilliance of light as seen here. And do my eyes decieve me? Or does that man behind him seem in likeness to that of Faramir of Gondor? Just an opinion mind you!

Horse-Maiden of the Shire · 08-29-2003, 10:46 AM

Whoa! Like HC, I had thought that the Rangers of the North would have no participation in RotK. Then I looked at the background, and my heart sank because it looked like Henneth Annun. But then I scrutinized the clothing, and it does look like Aragorn's. I just wish that there was a full-body shot, so that I could have better judgement. Oh, well. All we can do now is cross our fingers and hack into Peter Jackson's computer to find out the real story.

Elentári · 08-29-2003, 11:55 AM

Wow!!! Best news I've seen in a while, having only just found that thread about there being no rangers. About the two sources of light...this is a rather far-fetched wild idea, but hey. On the paths of the dead two people were carrying torches, weren't they? One at the front, and one behind. And maybe he's looking at that skeleton at the doorway or something. Ok, so that was pure desperation...but what do you think?

The Only Real Estel · 08-29-2003, 01:16 PM

A few points:*It does appear to be a ranger.*He does not appear to be treading the Paths of the Dead.*It is not very likely that this ranger (I won't speculate as to his name) &/or any of his companions that he might have would've ment up with Aragorn & then not followed him through the 'paths'.*Therefore it seems rather plain, to me that he is a ranger that meets up with Aragorn after the paths of the dead (sounds strange though) & fights alongside him at the fields. Or at least I'm pretty sure he'd show up at the fields at the latest. That's MO.[ September 06, 2003: Message edited by: The Only Real Estel ]

Keeper of Dol Guldur · 08-29-2003, 05:09 PM

Sorry to burst some bubbles but that pic came off Decipher's Gondorian Ranger card from the Two Towers series. He's one of Faramir's. But don't discount the rangers of the north from ROTK yet, somebody has to bring the sword reforged to Aragorn, and in the trailer the smiths hand it to somebody wearing gauntlets. Elrond doesn't wear gauntlets. Neither does Arwen.

Daisy Brambleburr · 08-30-2003, 06:29 AM

Maybe this guy is the one bringing the sword then. If Halbarad is a close friend of Aragorn then maybe he'll be coming alone or with his Rangers, not tread the paths of the dead but meet aragorn some time before and then shoot off with the Rohirrim? This brings me new hope, because I was thinking that Arwen bought Aragorn his sword. Having Halbarad would be much better.Oh, the speculation!

peonydeepdelver · 08-30-2003, 12:04 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Sorry to burst some bubbles but that pic came off Decipher's Gondorian Ranger card from the Two Towers series. He's one of Faramir's. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Now that you mention it, it does look like the caves behind the falls in TTT where they brought Frodo and Sam if you look behind him(sorry if it has a name, but my mind is gone right now). But what gets me is why he's dressed like a Ranger, and unlike Faramir. Though Faramir was not wearing his armor with the White Tree on it until the Forbiddem Pool scene, his men were dressed like Rangers.

The Only Real Estel · 08-30-2003, 12:48 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Now that you mention it, it does look like the caves behind the falls in TTT where they brought Frodo and Sam if you look behind him (sorry if it has a name, but my mind is gone right now).<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> That's what I thought after Keeper of Dol Guldor 'bursted some bubbles'.

Snowdog · 08-31-2003, 09:40 AM

Yeah, looking at tht kids cards, he is Gondorian, which makes sense in the fact there are no 'Dúnedain rangers' or any sons of Elrond going through the Paths of the Dead.

Alatáriël Lossëhelin · 08-31-2003, 04:36 PM

I slo-mo'd through the scene where Gollum is brought up to the cave in Henneth Annûn. After he is thrown on the ground, two Rangers walk up side by side with Faramir just behind. While the faces on those two Rangers don't match the man in this picture, their clothing exactly matches. He could be one of the other Rangers in the scene, as there are at least four, plus Faramir. Plus, the lighting and cave walls are the same.Dang it! I was really hoping for Halbarad..

maikafanawen · 08-31-2003, 05:48 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>somebody has to bring the sword reforged to Aragorn, and in the trailer the smiths hand it to somebody wearing gauntlets. Elrond doesn't wear gauntlets. Neither does Arwen.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Not necessarily. Perhaps the smith was handing it to someone who was going to bring it to Arwen. Or that Arwen was going to get it some way since she's already on her way to the undying lands... (?) I don't know.The website also says: photos/rotkmiscellaneous/. So why would they put a picture from Two Towers under the ROTK section? Uh huh...? Dare to hope...I don't know how PJ's going to pull it off with no Dunedain. It's not going to make a lick of sense. I mean with the Corsairs? How is Aragorn going to get the ships w/o all his men?-Maikafanawen[ August 31, 2003: Message edited by: maikafanawen ]

Iarwain · 08-31-2003, 07:16 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> How is Aragorn going to get the ships w/o all his men? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Two words: the Dead. It will be odd with Aragorn, Legolas, and Gimli getting off a boat all by themselves and rushing into battle. This makes me think that the role of the Dead is going to increase in PJ's "interpretation".Iarwain

DaughterofVana · 08-31-2003, 07:28 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> This makes me think that the role of the Dead is going to increase in PJ's "interpretation". <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Can we say "zombies"? (grins ruthlessly) I'm picturing emanciated, slightly green Men in rusted armor. Perhaps with glowing eyes....Just because the pic came from a trading card doesn't mean it's a total bust. If I remember right some of the trading cards had characters that ended up being in the movies after all. Figwit, anyone? -'Vana

Arwen Evenstar the Fair · 08-31-2003, 08:29 PM

Hurray!!! I really REALLY hope they have the Rangers in ROTK, they just have to be there, its an important part of the story!!!

HCIsland · 09-01-2003, 07:21 PM

I hate to burst people's bubble, but if you have the Two Towers DVD, go to The Forbidden Pool scene. Faramir walks in on Frodo and is flanked by two men. Take a look at the guy on the right. He is dressed very much the same. In fact, he may even be the same guy. If you need further convincing, when they go to the pool, look at the clothing of the archers. They are all in black leathers.Combine this with the fact that the caves in the picture look very much like the Henneth Annun set, and you have to conclude that the picture is indeed of one of Faramir's men.H.C.

The Only Real Estel · 09-01-2003, 07:23 PM

Yeah, HC, I wasn't counting on it to much (luckily), & Keeper of Dol Guldor & Alatáriël said stuff to that effect. So it's looks like we can re-count-out the Rangers.

Meneltarmacil · 09-02-2003, 02:22 PM

I agree with all of your evidence, and may I also point out the man in the background appears to be Faramir, so he is almost definitely a Ranger of Ithilien, not one of the Dunedain.

**The Saucepan Man** · 09-02-2003, 06:58 PM

Aw shucks! <A HREF="http://forum.barrowdowns.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=4&t=002274" TARGET=_blank>Just when I got myself round to thinking how well it would work to have the Dunedain in the film.</A>

samrohan · 09-05-2003, 06:07 AM

The man in the background indeed looks like Faramir and the caves look like the Henneth Annun set. I however would like to see Aragorn, Legolas and Gimli being followed by the rangers through the paths of the Death as it would bring more credibility to the film. The book also describes how Gimli lags behind the others in the caves, this would not be the same if you lag behind twenty or behind two...The rangers could not follow though the Paths without being with Aragorn, the spirits of the dead would probably not allow them to go through. It is only because Aragorn is who he is that they are tolerated in that miserable and dead place.How does Aragorn get the baner from Arwen with the Tree and the stars if they are not given to him by the Sons of Elrond and the rangers. He has to get them as he unleashes the baner upon the hill and summons the dead to follow him down to the river and take over the pirates.

HCIsland · 09-05-2003, 07:52 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> How does Aragorn get the baner from Arwen with the Tree and the stars if they are not given to him by the Sons of Elrond and the rangers. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I would think he will get it from Arwen herself, including the reforged Narsil.H.C.

The_Hand · 09-05-2003, 11:47 AM

Wow that would be great if they had the Rangers after all but don't get my hopes up to much or I'll just die of dissapointment.[ September 05, 2003: Message edited by: The_Hand ]

HCIsland · 09-05-2003, 11:54 AM

I'll make sure to give you room to fall. H.C.

Maéglin · 09-05-2003, 07:17 PM

I think the removal of the Rangers poses another question... how are they going win the field of Pelennor?In the books each of the Rangers captained a ship of Umbar filled with former prisoners and soldiers from Lebennin (I think) to the aid of Minas Tirith. I mean, even if 'The Three Hunters' cross the Path of the Dead alone, so what? Where are they gonna to muster a army to which to save Minas Tirith... don't tell me Gimli is goind to help lead an army . However like someone suggested they might use the dead. But that would change the plot considerably, and I don't want to imagine an army of the dead marching with all the hosts of Gondor and Rohan to the Black Gate.. it would just be wrong.Hmmm maybe this should have gone to another thread, but I'm just making the point that removing the Rangers would drift away from the book alot.

HCIsland · 09-05-2003, 08:45 PM

I posted this in another thread but it would be pretty easy for Aragorn and the Dead to arrive at Pelargir with the battle with the Corsairs already in progress and the forces of southern Gondor losing. The course of the battle is, of course, turned and it is Gondorian soldiers that man the ships.H.C.

Finwe · 09-05-2003, 09:03 PM

I was watching the RotK preview in the Special Features DVD in the Two Towers case, and it specifically mentioned that Aragorn had to go to the "Paths of the Dead" in the middle of the Dwimorberg to prove that he was the Heir of Isildur. The one thing that got me was, if you watch that clip closely, it looks as if only Aragorn is going in. Am I assuming too much, or is it actually only Aragorn entering the Paths of the Dead? If we listen to PJ, he said that it was Aragorn who had to prove that he was the Heir (emphasis on Aragorn) so maybe he's just going to have Aragorn enter the Paths of the Dead. That guy is such a turncoat!

Maéglin · 09-05-2003, 09:35 PM

Hmmm I kindof do remember that part of the ROTK preview in the TTT DVD Finwe...Bah so he is going to change it so that instead of Aragorn fulfilling his role as Heir of Isildur by trekking the Path of the Dead, he is going to use it as a test for the Heir of Isildur... subtle change perhaps but deviates from the book too much for my liking. But I'm sure the movie will still be awesome if we overlook these things

The Only Real Estel · 09-06-2003, 12:04 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>That guy is such a turncoat!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Agreed.

HCIsland · 09-06-2003, 02:23 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> The one thing that got me was, if you watch that clip closely, it looks as if only Aragorn is going in. Am I assuming too much, or is it actually only Aragorn entering the Paths of the Dead? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> You're assuming too much. There are shots floating around of Aragorn, Legolas and Gimli walking the paths.H.C.

Phrim · 09-06-2003, 06:26 PM

Methinks I've seen this picture before:<A HREF="http://www.decipher.com/lordoftherings/cardlists/twotowers/large/LOTR-EN04122.html" TARGET=_blank>http://www.decipher.com/lordoftherings/cardlists/twotowers/large/LOTR-EN04122.html</A>The picture looks like it's a direct lift from Decipher's card game. Since Decipher got all their images from The Two Towers, this cannot be an RotK image. And in fact, the card is supposed to represent one of Faramir's "ranger" (and I use the term loosely) brethren.

Lord of Angmar · 09-07-2003, 09:14 AM

That is strange indeed. So he is one of Faramir's Rangers then? I suppose then that the image is from Ithilien or Osgiliath, probably the former.I had thought (or hoped, rather) that perhaps since the Dunedain would not follow Aragorn on the Paths of the Dead, they would at least turn up at the Battle of the Pelennor Fields or the battle before the Black Gate. So much has already been changed by Mr. Jackson, so many major and minor details, that I could easily envision the last-minute arrival of Aragorn's Ranger companions at the start or in the middle of one of the RotK battles.

Elentári · 09-07-2003, 10:25 AM

Maybe I missed something...how come Aragorn doesn't already have that sword?

HCIsland · 09-07-2003, 07:26 PM

It has yet to be shown reforged in the movie.H.C.

08-28-2003, 03:58 PM	#1
peonydeepdelver Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Alas, I hail from Massachusetts Posts: 256	Halbarad? SPOILERS I recently found this picture, and wondered what you guys thought. It may be Halbarad, which means that maybe the Rangers may be in ROTK after all...<P><A HREF="http://www.warofthering.net/photos/rotkmiscellaneous/images/rotk003_ranger.jpg" TARGET=_blank>Halbarad?</A> __________________ "Nazgul, Nazgul! You speak of what is deep beyond the reach of your muddy dreams, Ugluk! Nazgul! Ah! All that they make out! One day you'll wish that you had not said that. Ape! You ought to know that they're the apple of the Great Eye." ~Grishnakh

08-28-2003, 04:33 PM	#2
HCIsland Zombie Cannibal Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,000	Wow!<P>I'd completely written off the Dunedain of the north. His clothing doesn't match Faramir's men. His clothing and hair colour would suggest a relationship with Aragorn.<P>It is clear from the RotK previews that Aragorn, Legolas and Gimli walk the Paths of the Dead alone though.<P>Wierd. I gotta ponder.<P>H.C. __________________ "Stir not the bitterness in the cup that I mixed myself. Have I not tasted it now many nights upon my tongue, foreboding that worse yet lay in the dregs." -Denethor

08-28-2003, 07:31 PM	#4
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	Yes, my first thought was that it is one of Faranir's men. But, as HC says, the clothing doesn't match. It is far more akin to Aragorn's costume.<P>Excellent! There is hope yet. <P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> It is clear from the RotK previews that Aragorn, Legolas and Gimli walk the Paths of the Dead alone though. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Well, it does seem that Aragorn, Legolas and Gimli enter the Paths alone. But maybe the Dunedain folow them in. It would seem strange to have them turn up and then not accompany Aragorn on the Paths. And that shot does look like it is in caves of some sort ...<P>Anyone recognise the blurred figure in the background? __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

08-28-2003, 07:44 PM	#5
Meneltarmacil Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: The bottom of the ocean, discussing philosophy with a giant squid Posts: 2,254	But then again, he could be Beregond or one of the Gondorian soldiers..... who knows who he is? __________________ I ♣ baby seals.

08-28-2003, 07:49 PM	#6
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> he could be Beregond or one of the Gondorian soldiers <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Nah - no White Tree. And the Gondorian soldiers are all wearing plate armour in the clips that I have seen.<P>Perhaps it's a radically alternative portrayal of Ghan-Buri-Ghan. __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

08-28-2003, 04:34 PM	#3
Snowdog Emperor of the South Pole Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: The Western Shore of Lake Evendim Posts: 632	Cool! Will he be the 'dramatic death' of the third movie as Haldir was in the second, and Boromir was in the first? We will see!

08-28-2003, 08:01 PM	#7
Carrûn Wight Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Behind you, counting to 3 Posts: 234	I'm not holding my breath but it would definately make my day.<P>Although that guy doesn't seem to represent the picture I had of Halbarad in my mind...seems too...(insert word I can't think of here) __________________ "Dic, hospes, Spartae, nos te hic vidisse iacentes dum sanctis patriae legibus obsequimur."

08-29-2003, 04:28 AM	#8
Maéglin Haunting Spirit Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 99	It could be just me but that picture looks slightly edited... like its just Aragorn's body with a different face <P>However I am excited if they do include the Dunedain of the North in the last film. I mean Halbarad only came with.. 20? of the Rangers yet they seemed so overworldly that Theoden said something like "...if they are anything alike to yourself Lord Aragorn, then they will be a strength that cannot be counted by heads."

08-29-2003, 09:32 AM	#9
Arafangwen Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: WtR: 413 miles/Floating happily across the floor in the arms of The Phantom..... Posts: 361	I belive it could be him. If any of you would notice, the address is <B>rotk003_ranger.jpg</B>, so indicating that he is, in most likelyhood, a ranger. Not addressing the issue of who he is in particular mind you. As you can see, there is light coming from two directions behind him and it appears that there is moonlight reflecting off a pool or something of the sort before him. Therefore, I strongly doubt that he is treading the Paths of the Dead in this particular picture, as they would not contain the kind of brilliance of light as seen here. And do my eyes decieve me? Or does that man behind him seem in likeness to that of Faramir of Gondor? Just an opinion mind you! __________________ i indo ye vanya mi amaurëa cálë~LúcëwenElerínaEruiel Soooo..... I'm still doing the wave, anyone else? Anyone? Yeah!! Hmmm... What is that?

08-29-2003, 10:46 AM	#10
Horse-Maiden of the Shire Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Chillaxin' with Glorfindel-441 miles on the RtR Posts: 1,197	Whoa! Like HC, I had thought that the Rangers of the North would have no participation in RotK. Then I looked at the background, and my heart sank because it looked like Henneth Annun. But then I scrutinized the clothing, and it does look like Aragorn's. I just wish that there was a full-body shot, so that I could have better judgement. Oh, well. All we can do now is cross our fingers and hack into Peter Jackson's computer to find out the real story. __________________ "There's a big...machine in the sky...some kind of electric snake...coming straight at us." "Shoot it," said my attorney. "Not yet...I want to study its habits."

08-29-2003, 11:55 AM	#11
Elentári Wight Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Up a tree somewhere in Caras Galadhon... Posts: 113	Wow!!! Best news I've seen in a while, having only just found that thread about there being no rangers. About the two sources of light...this is a rather far-fetched wild idea, but hey. On the paths of the dead two people were carrying torches, weren't they? One at the front, and one behind. And maybe he's looking at that skeleton at the doorway or something. Ok, so that was pure desperation...but what do you think? __________________ Dotard! What is the house of Eorl but a thatched barn where brigands drink in the reek, and their brats roll on the floor among the dogs? Spread the word! The 1st annual Golden Ring Marathon! October 20th 2005! Tell Everyone! Frodo Lives!

08-29-2003, 01:16 PM	#12
The Only Real Estel Raffish Rapscallion Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Far from the 'Downs, it seems :-( Posts: 2,835	A few points:<P>It does appear to be a ranger.<P>He does <B>not</B> appear to be treading the Paths of the Dead.<P>It is not very likely that this ranger (I won't speculate as to his name) &/or any of his companions that he might have would've ment up with Aragorn & then not followed him through the 'paths'.<P>Therefore it seems rather plain, to me that he is a ranger that meets up with Aragorn after the paths of the dead (sounds strange though) & fights alongside him at the fields. Or at least I'm pretty sure he'd show up at the fields at the latest. That's MO.<p>[ September 06, 2003: Message edited by: The Only Real Estel ]

08-29-2003, 05:09 PM	#13
Keeper of Dol Guldur Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: 315, CNY Boys and girls. Posts: 405	Sorry to burst some bubbles but that pic came off Decipher's Gondorian Ranger card from the Two Towers series. He's one of Faramir's. But don't discount the rangers of the north from ROTK yet, somebody has to bring the sword reforged to Aragorn, and in the trailer the smiths hand it to somebody wearing gauntlets. Elrond doesn't wear gauntlets. Neither does Arwen. __________________ "I come from yonder...Have you seen Baggins? Baggins has left, he is coming. He is not far away. I wish to find him. If he passes will you tell me? I will come back with gold." - Khamul the Easterling

08-30-2003, 06:29 AM	#14
Daisy Brambleburr Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 334	Maybe this guy is the one bringing the sword then. If Halbarad is a close friend of Aragorn then maybe he'll be coming alone or with his Rangers, not tread the paths of the dead but meet aragorn some time before and then shoot off with the Rohirrim? This brings me new hope, because I was thinking that Arwen bought Aragorn his sword. Having Halbarad would be much better.<P>Oh, the speculation! __________________ 'What news from the South, O sighing wind, do you bring to me at eve? Where now is Boromir the Fair? He tarries and I grieve.'

08-30-2003, 12:04 PM	#15
peonydeepdelver Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Alas, I hail from Massachusetts Posts: 256	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Sorry to burst some bubbles but that pic came off Decipher's Gondorian Ranger card from the Two Towers series. He's one of Faramir's. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Now that you mention it, it does look like the caves behind the falls in TTT where they brought Frodo and Sam if you look behind him(sorry if it has a name, but my mind is gone right now). But what gets me is why he's dressed like a Ranger, and unlike Faramir. Though Faramir was not wearing his armor with the White Tree on it until the Forbiddem Pool scene, his men were dressed like Rangers. __________________ "Nazgul, Nazgul! You speak of what is deep beyond the reach of your muddy dreams, Ugluk! Nazgul! Ah! All that they make out! One day you'll wish that you had not said that. Ape! You ought to know that they're the apple of the Great Eye." ~Grishnakh

08-30-2003, 12:48 PM	#16
The Only Real Estel Raffish Rapscallion Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Far from the 'Downs, it seems :-( Posts: 2,835	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Now that you mention it, it does look like the caves behind the falls in TTT where they brought Frodo and Sam if you look behind him (sorry if it has a name, but my mind is gone right now).<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> That's what I thought after Keeper of Dol Guldor 'bursted some bubbles'.

08-31-2003, 09:40 AM	#17
Snowdog Emperor of the South Pole Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: The Western Shore of Lake Evendim Posts: 632	Yeah, looking at tht kids cards, he is Gondorian, which makes sense in the fact there are no 'Dúnedain rangers' or any sons of Elrond going through the Paths of the Dead.

08-31-2003, 04:36 PM	#18
Alatáriël Lossëhelin Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Road to Rivendell: 2491 miles from Hobbiton, with Frodo and Sam, homeward bound Posts: 365	I slo-mo'd through the scene where Gollum is brought up to the cave in Henneth Annûn. After he is thrown on the ground, two Rangers walk up side by side with Faramir just behind. While the <I>faces</I> on those two Rangers don't match the man in this picture, their clothing <I>exactly</I> matches. He could be one of the other Rangers in the scene, as there are at least four, plus Faramir. Plus, the lighting and cave walls are the same.<P>Dang it! I was really hoping for Halbarad.. __________________ "It's impossible to have Frodo without Sam, or Sam without Frodo. They're like two halves of one heart..." "If your hurts grieve you still and the memory of your burden is heavy, then you may pass into the West..."

08-31-2003, 05:48 PM	#19
maikafanawen Tears of Simbelmynë Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: The Beast's Castle Posts: 705	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>somebody has to bring the sword reforged to Aragorn, and in the trailer the smiths hand it to somebody wearing gauntlets. Elrond doesn't wear gauntlets. Neither does Arwen.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Not necessarily. Perhaps the smith was handing it to someone who was going to bring it to Arwen. Or that Arwen was going to get it some way since she's already on her way to the undying lands... (?) I don't know.<P>The website also says: <B>photos/rotkmiscellaneous/</B>. So why would they put a picture from Two Towers under the ROTK section? Uh huh...? Dare to hope...<P>I don't know how PJ's going to pull it off with no Dunedain. It's not going to make a lick of sense. I mean with the Corsairs? How is Aragorn going to get the ships w/o all his men?<P>-Maikafanawen<p>[ August 31, 2003: Message edited by: maikafanawen ] __________________ "They call this war a cloud over the land. But they made the weather and then they stand in the rain and say, 'Sht, it's raining!'" -- Ruby, Cold Mountain*

08-31-2003, 07:16 PM	#20
Iarwain Pugnaciously Primordial Paradox Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Birnham Wood Posts: 800	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> How is Aragorn going to get the ships w/o all his men? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Two words: the Dead. It will be odd with Aragorn, Legolas, and Gimli getting off a boat all by themselves and rushing into battle. This makes me think that the role of the Dead is going to increase in PJ's "interpretation".<P>Iarwain __________________ "And what are oaths but words we say to God?"

08-31-2003, 07:28 PM	#21
DaughterofVana Wight Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: twirling contentedly in a flower-filled field Posts: 134	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> This makes me think that the role of the Dead is going to increase in PJ's "interpretation". <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Can we say "zombies"? (grins ruthlessly) I'm picturing emanciated, slightly green Men in rusted armor. Perhaps with glowing eyes....<P>Just because the pic came from a trading card doesn't mean it's a total bust. If I remember right some of the trading cards had characters that ended up being in the movies after all. Figwit, anyone? <P>-'Vana __________________ "There is a kind of happiness and wonder that makes you serious. It is too good to waste on jokes." Hi! Did you miss me?

08-31-2003, 08:29 PM	#22
Arwen Evenstar the Fair Wight Join Date: May 2002 Location: Gondor Posts: 235	Hurray!!! I really REALLY hope they have the Rangers in ROTK, they just have to be there, its an important part of the story!!! __________________ ~Arwen~

09-01-2003, 07:21 PM	#23
HCIsland Zombie Cannibal Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,000	I hate to burst people's bubble, but if you have the Two Towers DVD, go to The Forbidden Pool scene. Faramir walks in on Frodo and is flanked by two men. Take a look at the guy on the right. He is dressed very much the same. In fact, he may even be the same guy. If you need further convincing, when they go to the pool, look at the clothing of the archers. They are all in black leathers.<P>Combine this with the fact that the caves in the picture look very much like the Henneth Annun set, and you have to conclude that the picture is indeed of one of Faramir's men.<P>H.C. __________________ "Stir not the bitterness in the cup that I mixed myself. Have I not tasted it now many nights upon my tongue, foreboding that worse yet lay in the dregs." -Denethor

09-01-2003, 07:23 PM	#24
The Only Real Estel Raffish Rapscallion Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Far from the 'Downs, it seems :-( Posts: 2,835	Yeah, HC, I wasn't counting on it to much (luckily), & Keeper of Dol Guldor & Alatáriël said stuff to that effect. So it's looks like we can re-count-out the Rangers.

09-02-2003, 02:22 PM	#25
Meneltarmacil Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: The bottom of the ocean, discussing philosophy with a giant squid Posts: 2,254	I agree with all of your evidence, and may I also point out the man in the background appears to be Faramir, so he is almost definitely a Ranger of Ithilien, not one of the Dunedain. __________________ I ♣ baby seals.

09-02-2003, 06:58 PM	#26
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	Aw shucks! <A HREF="http://forum.barrowdowns.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=4&t=002274" TARGET=_blank>Just when I got myself round to thinking how well it would work to have the Dunedain in the film.</A> __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

09-05-2003, 06:07 AM	#27
samrohan Wight Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Touring Minas Tirith with Gimli and Legolas Posts: 107	The man in the background indeed looks like Faramir and the caves look like the Henneth Annun set. <P>I however would like to see Aragorn, Legolas and Gimli being followed by the rangers through the paths of the Death as it would bring more credibility to the film. The book also describes how Gimli lags behind the others in the caves, this would not be the same if you lag behind twenty or behind two...<P>The rangers could not follow though the Paths without being with Aragorn, the spirits of the dead would probably not allow them to go through. It is only because Aragorn is who he is that they are tolerated in that miserable and dead place.<P>How does Aragorn get the baner from Arwen with the Tree and the stars if they are not given to him by the Sons of Elrond and the rangers. He has to get them as he unleashes the baner upon the hill and summons the dead to follow him down to the river and take over the pirates. __________________ I can't believe I have not watched the return of the king yet.

09-05-2003, 07:52 AM	#28
HCIsland Zombie Cannibal Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,000	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> How does Aragorn get the baner from Arwen with the Tree and the stars if they are not given to him by the Sons of Elrond and the rangers. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I would think he will get it from Arwen herself, including the reforged Narsil.<P>H.C. __________________ "Stir not the bitterness in the cup that I mixed myself. Have I not tasted it now many nights upon my tongue, foreboding that worse yet lay in the dregs." -Denethor

09-05-2003, 11:47 AM	#29
The_Hand Haunting Spirit Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Mordor, M&Mcastle (Minas Morgul) Posts: 72	Wow that would be great if they had the Rangers after all but don't get my hopes up to much or I'll just die of dissapointment.<p>[ September 05, 2003: Message edited by: The_Hand ] __________________ Member of: The Bodyparts of Sauron Russ 2006

09-05-2003, 11:54 AM	#30
HCIsland Zombie Cannibal Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,000	I'll make sure to give you room to fall. <P>H.C. __________________ "Stir not the bitterness in the cup that I mixed myself. Have I not tasted it now many nights upon my tongue, foreboding that worse yet lay in the dregs." -Denethor

09-05-2003, 07:17 PM	#31
Maéglin Haunting Spirit Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 99	I think the removal of the Rangers poses another question... how are they going win the field of Pelennor?<P>In the books each of the Rangers captained a ship of Umbar filled with former prisoners and soldiers from Lebennin (I think) to the aid of Minas Tirith. I mean, even if 'The Three Hunters' cross the Path of the Dead alone, so what? Where are they gonna to muster a army to which to save Minas Tirith... don't tell me Gimli is goind to help lead an army . However like someone suggested they might use the dead. But that would change the plot considerably, and I don't want to imagine an army of the dead marching with all the hosts of Gondor and Rohan to the Black Gate.. it would just be wrong.<P>Hmmm maybe this should have gone to another thread, but I'm just making the point that removing the Rangers would drift away from the book alot.

09-05-2003, 08:45 PM	#32
HCIsland Zombie Cannibal Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,000	I posted this in another thread but it would be pretty easy for Aragorn and the Dead to arrive at Pelargir with the battle with the Corsairs already in progress and the forces of southern Gondor losing. The course of the battle is, of course, turned and it is Gondorian soldiers that man the ships.<P>H.C. __________________ "Stir not the bitterness in the cup that I mixed myself. Have I not tasted it now many nights upon my tongue, foreboding that worse yet lay in the dregs." -Denethor

09-05-2003, 09:03 PM	#33
Finwe Deathless Sun Join Date: May 2003 Location: The Royal Suite in the Halls of Mandos Posts: 2,609	I was watching the RotK preview in the Special Features DVD in the Two Towers case, and it specifically mentioned that Aragorn had to go to the "Paths of the Dead" in the middle of the Dwimorberg to prove that he was the Heir of Isildur. The one thing that got me was, if you watch that clip closely, it looks as if only Aragorn is going in. Am I assuming too much, or is it actually only Aragorn entering the Paths of the Dead? If we listen to PJ, he said that it was Aragorn who had to prove that he was the Heir (emphasis on Aragorn) so maybe he's just going to have Aragorn enter the Paths of the Dead. That guy is such a turncoat! __________________ But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.

09-05-2003, 09:35 PM	#34
Maéglin Haunting Spirit Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 99	Hmmm I kindof do remember that part of the ROTK preview in the TTT DVD Finwe...<P>Bah so he is going to change it so that instead of Aragorn fulfilling his role as Heir of Isildur by trekking the Path of the Dead, he is going to use it as a test for the Heir of Isildur... subtle change perhaps but deviates from the book too much for my liking. But I'm sure the movie will still be awesome if we overlook these things

09-06-2003, 12:04 PM	#35
The Only Real Estel Raffish Rapscallion Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Far from the 'Downs, it seems :-( Posts: 2,835	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>That guy is such a turncoat!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Agreed.