"Funeral" Spell - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

08-26-2003, 01:02 PM

Just bought the Two Towers(YAY) When the newly whitened Gandalf takes Theoden to his son's grave. Then as Theoden is sobbing he says "He will find the halls of your masters" or something to that effect, and then says something in what I would assume to be a form of Elvish. Does anyone know what the words(in elvish) are, what form of elvish(Quenya, Sindarin) and what the translation is? I'm just curious....

Arien · 08-26-2003, 01:37 PM

Gandalf says: Westu hál. Ferðu, Théodred, Ferðu.Which roughly translated is: Be-thou well. Go-thou, Théodred, go-thou. Hope that answers a part of your question unfortunately I don't know what form of Elvish (if in Elvish) they are.[ August 27, 2003: Message edited by: Arien ]

08-27-2003, 12:26 AM

Arien was right about the translation but it most certainly is not Elvish. It's English... Old English/Anglo-Saxon. Tolkien used Anglo-Saxon in the books to portray the language of the Rohirrim.

Elentári · 08-27-2003, 04:11 AM

Yes, that's what I was about to say, but not the bit about the Old English (or Middle maybe? Hence Middle Earth...ok, I don't know where I got that from...). I was just going to say it isn't Elvish, it's Rohirric...which for some reason reminds me when I was watching some program to do with the making of the Two Towers, the narrator was calling the Rohirrim the 'Rohans'!!!! Together with the American accent...ahh I was cracking up all the way through...

Horse-Maiden of the Shire · 08-27-2003, 02:39 PM

Yes, I was just about to say "Nope. It's Rohirric!" as well."The Rohans?" Ehm...that poor man needs help.

The Only Real Estel · 08-27-2003, 02:47 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>"The Rohans?" Ehm...that poor man needs help.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> I heartily agree!

Arwen Eruantale · 08-31-2003, 08:33 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>I heartily agree!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>As do I. That poor, uneducated man...

arianrod · 08-31-2003, 10:45 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>That poor, uneducated man... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>The commercials always crack me up. It always seems like they find the one man that knows nothing about Tolkien to do the commercials. Having a person like that trying to make the movies sound 'exciting' and 'dramatic' just comes off as 'sad'.

Maéglin · 09-01-2003, 01:18 AM

If you had subtitles on during the TTT DVD it tells you what language they are speaking before they actually say it.. Rohirric in the case of Gandalf's words But they arent very specific in the case of the Elvish language.. its just referred to as "Elvish" not Quenya or Sindarin or whatever

Evisse the Blue · 09-02-2003, 05:02 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>The Rohans. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> This guy was obviously part of the target readership for this book here: check it out:<A HREF="http://www.wileyeurope.com/WileyCDA/WileyTitle/productCd-0764541862.html" TARGET=_blank>Tolkien for dummies</A>

samrohan · 09-02-2003, 06:00 AM

Yes, I must agree that it also caught my ear when watching the Two Towers last weekend.But we are diverging.

08-26-2003, 01:02 PM	#1
OrcChieftain Guest Posts: n/a	"Funeral" Spell Just bought the Two Towers(YAY)<BR>When the newly whitened Gandalf takes Theoden to his son's grave. Then as Theoden is sobbing he says "He will find the halls of your masters" or something to that effect, and then says something in what I would assume to be a form of Elvish. Does anyone know what the words(in elvish) are, what form of elvish(Quenya, Sindarin) and what the translation is? I'm just curious....

08-26-2003, 01:37 PM	#2
Arien Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: London/Leeds UK Posts: 417	Gandalf says: Westu hál. Ferðu, Théodred, Ferðu.<P>Which roughly translated is: Be-thou well. Go-thou, Théodred, go-thou. <P>Hope that answers a part of your question unfortunately I don't know what form of Elvish (if in Elvish) they are.<p>[ August 27, 2003: Message edited by: Arien ] __________________ "...still, we lay under the emptiness and drifted slowly outward, and somewhere in the wilderness we found salvation scratched into the earth like a message."

08-27-2003, 04:11 AM	#4
Elentári Wight Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Up a tree somewhere in Caras Galadhon... Posts: 113	Yes, that's what I was about to say, but not the bit about the Old English (or Middle maybe? Hence Middle Earth...ok, I don't know where I got that from...). I was just going to say it isn't Elvish, it's Rohirric...which for some reason reminds me when I was watching some program to do with the making of the Two Towers, the narrator was calling the Rohirrim the 'Rohans'!!!! Together with the American accent...ahh I was cracking up all the way through... __________________ Dotard! What is the house of Eorl but a thatched barn where brigands drink in the reek, and their brats roll on the floor among the dogs? Spread the word! The 1st annual Golden Ring Marathon! October 20th 2005! Tell Everyone! Frodo Lives!

08-27-2003, 02:39 PM	#5
Horse-Maiden of the Shire Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Chillaxin' with Glorfindel-441 miles on the RtR Posts: 1,197	Yes, I was just about to say "Nope. It's Rohirric!" as well.<P>"The Rohans?" Ehm...that poor man needs help. __________________ "There's a big...machine in the sky...some kind of electric snake...coming straight at us." "Shoot it," said my attorney. "Not yet...I want to study its habits."

08-31-2003, 08:33 PM	#7
Arwen Eruantale Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: My Field of Paper Flowers Posts: 282	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>I heartily agree!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>As do I. That poor, uneducated man... __________________ And he became somewhat grim to look upon, unless he chanced to smile... Will you pay attention?

08-27-2003, 12:26 AM	#3
Calypso Guest Posts: n/a	Arien was right about the translation but it most certainly is not Elvish. It's English... Old English/Anglo-Saxon. Tolkien used Anglo-Saxon in the books to portray the language of the Rohirrim.

08-27-2003, 02:47 PM	#6
The Only Real Estel Raffish Rapscallion Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Far from the 'Downs, it seems :-( Posts: 2,835	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>"The Rohans?" Ehm...that poor man needs help.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> I heartily agree!

08-31-2003, 10:45 PM	#8
arianrod Wight Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Wandering Hobbiton, smiling at the hobbits & trying to sell them vacuum cleaners Posts: 215	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>That poor, uneducated man... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>The commercials always crack me up. It always seems like they find the one man that knows nothing about Tolkien to do the commercials. Having a person like that trying to make the movies sound 'exciting' and 'dramatic' just comes off as 'sad'. __________________ Eenie, meanie, Samwise Gamgee, Staring after pretty Rosie, If she calls, watch him blush, then turn and leave in a rush. You want to join the Citadel... You know you do... Do the Wave for Boromir the Disco King!

09-01-2003, 01:18 AM	#9
Maéglin Haunting Spirit Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 99	If you had subtitles on during the TTT DVD it tells you what language they are speaking before they actually say it.. Rohirric in the case of Gandalf's words<BR>But they arent very specific in the case of the Elvish language.. its just referred to as "Elvish" not Quenya or Sindarin or whatever

09-02-2003, 05:02 AM	#10
Evisse the Blue Brightness of a Blade Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: wherever I may roam Posts: 2,685	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>The Rohans. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>This guy was obviously part of the target readership for this book here: check it out:<A HREF="http://www.wileyeurope.com/WileyCDA/WileyTitle/productCd-0764541862.html" TARGET=_blank>Tolkien for dummies</A> __________________ And no one was ill, and everyone was pleased, except those who had to mow the grass.

09-02-2003, 06:00 AM	#11
samrohan Wight Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Touring Minas Tirith with Gimli and Legolas Posts: 107	Yes, I must agree that it also caught my ear when watching the Two Towers last weekend.<P>But we are diverging. __________________ I can't believe I have not watched the return of the king yet.