Half-Elf Afterlife - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Saraphim · 12-21-2003, 01:03 PM

I was wondering about the afterlife of Half-Elves.

I know that Elves, when slain, go to the halls of Mandos to await reincarnation, and that Humans go beyond the circles of the world with Eru.

But what of the Half-Elves, the ones that choose immortality, such as Elrond, or ones that choose immortality, but are human entirely, like Earendel, Or even those, like Arwen or Luthien, who choose mortality.

I am aware that some of these characters do not die (at least not in any published work), but I still am curious.

Maédhros · 12-21-2003, 01:52 PM

IMO, I think that it can be assumed that if you are a half-elf, and you choose either to live as a man or elf, depending on your choice of the matter, you would be treated accordingly.
Arwen would have the same fate as those of the sons of Men. I don't see any reason for it to be different.

Arothir · 12-21-2003, 02:49 PM

Shouldn't this be in the books or even novices and newcomers?

Rouroni · 12-21-2003, 07:00 PM

Arothir, you are right. This topic is not appropriate for this forum.

But it is a rather interesting topic. Saraphim, you have alot to learn, but do not let your inexperience deter you.

Aiwendil · 12-21-2003, 10:03 PM

I'm moving this to The Books.

I think Maedhros is right. I don't see any reason that the ultimate fates of the fear of the Peredhil should not match the choices that they made.

Legolas · 12-21-2003, 11:49 PM

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But what of the Half-Elves, the ones that choose immortality, such as Elrond, or ones that choose immortality, but are human entirely, like Earendel, Or even those, like Arwen or Luthien, who choose mortality.

Luthien was not of the 'half-elven.' She is by ancestry literally half-elven, but this is not a term used to describe any person(s) with a trace of elvish blood. What do you mean Earendil is "human entirely"? He most assuredly was not. He was immortal, just as Elwing and Elrond. Elros died like any other man (though later), thus his spirit left Arda in the same manner [just like Arwen and Luthien (though Luthien is an entirely different matter) who each shared the fates of their significant others - that was the point of their decisions].

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Arothir · 12-22-2003, 03:30 PM

If a fear takes the path of what the person is, why doesn't Saruman leave the circles of the world when he gets killed. He was incarnate as a man.

Tuor Turambar,Cursed by the Valar · 12-22-2003, 07:46 PM

Wait- Huh? Doesn't he? What does happen to him?

Anyway, Saruman was not "incarnate as a man." He would not have lived as long as he did (a large part of the third age) if he was man. Possibly elven, but not human. And, as with the valar, it was more like a set of clothes that could be taken off, not like a body he was bound to and when it died, he died with it.

Arothir · 12-23-2003, 02:45 PM

But the Istari were bound to their bodies right?

Altariel · 12-23-2003, 04:14 PM

One would think that if a person of mixed Elvish and human blood were to -choose- to live as a mortal, at the time of their death, the same thing would happen to them as to any other human.

Also, logically, a half-elf who chose to live the rest of his or her life among the Elves would go to the Halls of Mandos, because, in a sense, they've forsaken their mortal heritage to live life as an Elf.

12-21-2003, 01:03 PM	#1
Saraphim Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: The other side of freezing. Posts: 404	Half-Elf Afterlife I was wondering about the afterlife of Half-Elves. I know that Elves, when slain, go to the halls of Mandos to await reincarnation, and that Humans go beyond the circles of the world with Eru. But what of the Half-Elves, the ones that choose immortality, such as Elrond, or ones that choose immortality, but are human entirely, like Earendel, Or even those, like Arwen or Luthien, who choose mortality. I am aware that some of these characters do not die (at least not in any published work), but I still am curious. __________________ I drink Pan Galactic Gargle Blasters! ~ Always remember: pillage BEFORE you burn.

12-21-2003, 01:52 PM	#2
Maédhros The Kinslayer Join Date: May 2002 Location: Formenos Posts: 658	IMO, I think that it can be assumed that if you are a half-elf, and you choose either to live as a man or elf, depending on your choice of the matter, you would be treated accordingly. Arwen would have the same fate as those of the sons of Men. I don't see any reason for it to be different. __________________ "Alas, poor Yorick! I knew him, Horatio; a fellow of infinite jest, of most excellent fancy."

12-21-2003, 02:49 PM	#3
Arothir Wight Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: the Realm of Nargothrond beyond Narog Posts: 163	Shouldn't this be in the books or even novices and newcomers? __________________ Then Felagund upon the head of Arothir set it: "Nephew mine, till I return this crown is thine."

12-21-2003, 07:00 PM	#4
Rouroni Newly Deceased Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 10	Arothir, you are right. This topic is not appropriate for this forum. But it is a rather interesting topic. Saraphim, you have alot to learn, but do not let your inexperience deter you. __________________ "Cold be hand and heart and bone/Cold be sleep under stone/never more to wake on stony bed/Never, until the Sun fails and the Moon is dead./In the black wind the stars shall die/And still on gold here let them lie/Until the Dark Lord lifts his hand/Over dead sea and withered land."-Fog on the Barrow-Downs

12-22-2003, 03:30 PM	#7
Arothir Wight Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: the Realm of Nargothrond beyond Narog Posts: 163	If a fear takes the path of what the person is, why doesn't Saruman leave the circles of the world when he gets killed. He was incarnate as a man. __________________ Then Felagund upon the head of Arothir set it: "Nephew mine, till I return this crown is thine."

12-21-2003, 10:03 PM	#5
Aiwendil Late Istar Join Date: Mar 2001 Posts: 2,224	I'm moving this to The Books. I think Maedhros is right. I don't see any reason that the ultimate fates of the fear of the Peredhil should not match the choices that they made.

12-22-2003, 07:46 PM	#8
Tuor Turambar,Cursed by the Valar Wight Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Somewhere, wandering in middle earth... Posts: 137	Wait- Huh? Doesn't he? What does happen to him? Anyway, Saruman was not "incarnate as a man." He would not have lived as long as he did (a large part of the third age) if he was man. Possibly elven, but not human. And, as with the valar, it was more like a set of clothes that could be taken off, not like a body he was bound to and when it died, he died with it. __________________ Turin Turambar, Master of Fate, by Fate Mastered. No, im not turin. Or tuor. Or anyone. I am not!

12-23-2003, 02:45 PM	#9
Arothir Wight Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: the Realm of Nargothrond beyond Narog Posts: 163	But the Istari were bound to their bodies right? __________________ Then Felagund upon the head of Arothir set it: "Nephew mine, till I return this crown is thine."

12-23-2003, 04:14 PM	#10
Altariel Animated Skeleton Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Angband (a small region in northern BC) Posts: 50	One would think that if a person of mixed Elvish and human blood were to -choose- to live as a mortal, at the time of their death, the same thing would happen to them as to any other human. Also, logically, a half-elf who chose to live the rest of his or her life among the Elves would go to the Halls of Mandos, because, in a sense, they've forsaken their mortal heritage to live life as an Elf. __________________ "Candy: tastes like chicken, if chicken was a candy."