Horses at the Black Gate - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

FairLadyGoldberry · 01-30-2004, 04:45 PM

First of all, I'm sorry if this question has been asked or posted before. Ok, now then...When everyone rides to the Black Gate of Mordor to distract Sauron's gaze away from Frodo, Aragorn, Gandalf and the rest are all on horses. Then they ride up and call for lord of the black lands to come out and they are still on horses. When the orcs, trolls, and such emerge, and Aragorn says "For Frodo" all of the horses they were riding on seem to disappear. What happened to the horses? Do you think that will be explained in the EE with the Mouth of Sauron, or did I just miss something in the movie?

Thorongil · 01-31-2004, 05:08 AM

I couldn't find it in the book either. There it said the the armies of the West rode to the Black Gate, and when the orcs came out the stood on two hills. The only ones with horses were those who rode to the gate to talk with the Mouth of Sauron.Maybe it was inconvenient to have horses there.

HCIsland · 01-31-2004, 07:48 AM

There certainly were scenes cut from the Black Gate Opens sequence (most notably the Mouth of Sauron). One can only assume that the disappearing horses resulted from the cuts. Perhaps this will be more clear in the extended edition.H.C.

Eothain Elfwine · 01-31-2004, 06:22 PM

I did notice that! It greatly amused me.

Carlas · 01-31-2004, 06:39 PM

I did notice that too but I had just asumed that they got off their horses to fight. <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> One can only assume that the disappearing horses resulted from the cuts. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>This is most likely true. I was looking forward to the mouth of Sauron in ROTK, so it will hopefully be in the EE and explain these disappearing horses.

Knight of Gondor · 01-31-2004, 09:41 PM

It IS interesting that we don't see where Brego went. Maybe he went back to the toy modeling company, seeing as how he's sitting underneath Aragorn on my bookshelf!I happen to know who kills the Mouth of Sauron! Anybody want to know?

Gil Galad · 01-31-2004, 09:45 PM

I do Knight, tell me!!!!!!!!!!!

Gorwingel · 01-31-2004, 11:20 PM

Maybe they got scared and ran away...Yes, I would guess that the disappearance will most likely be explained in the extended edition. They probably ran away when the Mouth of Sauron came out or something like that, or Aragorn made a decision that hand-to-hand combat would be much more useful in a battle against a whole bunch of Mordor orcs.I just noticed this whole thing the last time I saw ROTK, and I too found it quite amusing.

Knight of Gondor · 02-01-2004, 03:56 PM

SPOILERS: Who kills the Mouth of Sauron? * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * I would have thought Pippin would have been given the honor, since Merry had a hand in the slaying of the Witchking, but 'tis not so. Actually, I found out while playing Lord of the Rings Trivial Pursuits. The question was, who killed the Mouth of Sauron in the third movie? I was understandably granted a pass on that question!! But it was Aragorn who did him in.

FairLadyGoldberry · 02-02-2004, 05:56 PM

Interesting indeed! Thanks for the scoop, Knight of Gondor!

Kransha · 02-02-2004, 06:58 PM

That outta be interesting to watch. ON TOPIC:Yes, I noticed the sudden absence of the horses. It was very amusing. You assume that everyone dismounted and the horses just wandered off conveniently and...-5 years later-A young Rohirrim boy on the eastern outskirts of Rohan is riding on a small pony after first learning to ride. He's eager to test his skills.Just then he sees an army of about 10,000 horses galloping riderless across the plains. "Can't wait to tell dad about this."(They should've added that scene to RotK as an epilogue, and for the horse fans)

Finwe · 02-02-2004, 07:47 PM

Hmmm... perhaps Brego will pull a Shadowfax and knock the Mouth of Sauron over, while Aragorn skewers him with Anduril. *eagerly looks forward to the Return of the King EE DVD*

01-30-2004, 04:45 PM	#1
FairLadyGoldberry Pile O'Bones Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: The Old Forest Posts: 20	Horses at the Black Gate First of all, I'm sorry if this question has been asked or posted before. Ok, now then...<P>When everyone rides to the Black Gate of Mordor to distract Sauron's gaze away from Frodo, Aragorn, Gandalf and the rest are all on horses. Then they ride up and call for lord of the black lands to come out and they are still on horses. When the orcs, trolls, and such emerge, and Aragorn says "For Frodo" all of the horses they were riding on seem to disappear. <P>What happened to the horses? Do you think that will be explained in the EE with the Mouth of Sauron, or did I just miss something in the movie? __________________ So we beat on, boats against the current, borne back ceaselessly into the past.

01-31-2004, 05:08 AM	#2
Thorongil Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: The Elvenpath Posts: 780	I couldn't find it in the book either. There it said the the armies of the West rode to the Black Gate, and when the orcs came out the stood on two hills. The only ones with horses were those who rode to the gate to talk with the Mouth of Sauron.<P>Maybe it was inconvenient to have horses there. __________________ To win one hundred victories in one hundred battles is not the acme of skill. To subdue the enemy without fighting is the acme of skill. ~Sun Tzu

01-31-2004, 07:48 AM	#3
HCIsland Zombie Cannibal Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,000	There certainly were scenes cut from the Black Gate Opens sequence (most notably the Mouth of Sauron). One can only assume that the disappearing horses resulted from the cuts. Perhaps this will be more clear in the extended edition.<P>H.C. __________________ "Stir not the bitterness in the cup that I mixed myself. Have I not tasted it now many nights upon my tongue, foreboding that worse yet lay in the dregs." -Denethor

01-31-2004, 06:22 PM	#4
Eothain Elfwine Animated Skeleton Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Plains of Rohan Posts: 38	I did notice that! It greatly amused me. __________________ I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend.

01-31-2004, 06:39 PM	#5
Carlas Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Lost in the Fog of the Downs Posts: 359	I did notice that too but I had just asumed that they got off their horses to fight.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> One can only assume that the disappearing horses resulted from the cuts. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>This is most likely true. I was looking forward to the mouth of Sauron in ROTK, so it will hopefully be in the EE and explain these disappearing horses. __________________ 七転八起...

01-31-2004, 09:41 PM	#6
Knight of Gondor Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Kentucky Posts: 744	It IS interesting that we don't see where Brego went. Maybe he went back to the toy modeling company, seeing as how he's sitting underneath Aragorn on my bookshelf!<P>I happen to know who kills the Mouth of Sauron! Anybody want to know? __________________ Eagerly awaiting the REAL Return of the King - Jesus Christ! Revelation 19:11-16

01-31-2004, 09:45 PM	#7
Gil Galad Haunting Spirit Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: hmm... good question.... Posts: 58	I do Knight, tell me!!!!!!!!!!! __________________ A red sun rises... blood has been spilt this night.- Legolas TTT Certainty of death, small chance of success... what are we waiting for?- Gimli ROTK

01-31-2004, 11:20 PM	#8
Gorwingel Beholder of the Mists Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Somewhere in the Northwest... for now Posts: 1,419	Maybe they got scared and ran away...<P>Yes, I would guess that the disappearance will most likely be explained in the extended edition. They probably ran away when the Mouth of Sauron came out or something like that, or Aragorn made a decision that hand-to-hand combat would be much more useful in a battle against a whole bunch of Mordor orcs.<P>I just noticed this whole thing the last time I saw ROTK, and I too found it quite amusing. __________________ Wanted - Wonderfully witty quote that consists of pure brilliance

02-01-2004, 03:56 PM	#9
Knight of Gondor Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Kentucky Posts: 744	SPOILERS: Who kills the Mouth of Sauron?<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR ><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>*<BR>I would have thought Pippin would have been given the honor, since Merry had a hand in the slaying of the Witchking, but 'tis not so. Actually, I found out while playing Lord of the Rings Trivial Pursuits. The question was, who killed the Mouth of Sauron in the third movie? I was understandably granted a pass on that question!! But it was Aragorn who did him in. __________________ Eagerly awaiting the REAL Return of the King - Jesus Christ! Revelation 19:11-16

02-02-2004, 05:56 PM	#10
FairLadyGoldberry Pile O'Bones Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: The Old Forest Posts: 20	Interesting indeed! Thanks for the scoop, Knight of Gondor! __________________ So we beat on, boats against the current, borne back ceaselessly into the past.

02-02-2004, 06:58 PM	#11
Kransha Ubiquitous Urulóki Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: The port of Mars, where Famine, Sword, and Fire, leash'd in like hounds, crouch for employment Posts: 747	That outta be interesting to watch.<BR>ON TOPIC:<P>Yes, I noticed the sudden absence of the horses. It was very amusing. You assume that everyone dismounted and the horses just wandered off conveniently and...<P>-5 years later-<P>A young Rohirrim boy on the eastern outskirts of Rohan is riding on a small pony after first learning to ride. He's eager to test his skills.<P>Just then he sees an army of about 10,000 horses galloping riderless across the plains.<BR>"Can't wait to tell dad about this."<P>(They should've added that scene to RotK as an epilogue, and for the horse fans) __________________ "What mortal feels not awe/Nor trembles at our name, Hearing our fate-appointed power sublime/Fixed by the eternal law. For old our office, and our fame," -Aeschylus, Song of the Furies

02-02-2004, 07:47 PM	#12
Finwe Deathless Sun Join Date: May 2003 Location: The Royal Suite in the Halls of Mandos Posts: 2,609	Hmmm... perhaps Brego will pull a Shadowfax and knock the Mouth of Sauron over, while Aragorn skewers him with Anduril. <P> <P>eagerly looks forward to the Return of the King EE DVD __________________ But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.