Slight Nitpick Here - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Arathiriel · 05-26-2003, 08:12 PM

Possibly ROTK movie spoilers below:* * * * Okay, I am looking at the picture of Pippin in his Gondorian armor and I believe I found a slight problem with it. In the picture Pippin is wearing his Lorien cloak along with the armor and correct me if I am wrong but didn't it say in the book that he was not permitted to wear the cloak from Lothlorien while he was on duty?Yeah, yeah I know I am nitpicking here but I am REALLY grateful that they are releasing some pictures from the movie to the fans...*sighs*Only 204 more days until ROTK!!!

Estella Brandybuck · 05-26-2003, 08:59 PM

You're right, it said something in RotK about how his cloak was folded and put away, but he was still allowed to keep it. Maybe he wasn't on-duty in the picture? Or maybe they've just decided to leave that part out because it's such a minor detail. But I didn't notice that before you pointed it out.

HCIsland · 05-26-2003, 09:14 PM

Actually a small thing bugs me as well about that <A HREF="http://www.theonering.net/scrapbook/group/797/view/6699" TARGET=_blank>picture</A>. The caption reads, "Pippin tries to explain Boromir’s death to his father Denethor, the Steward of Gondor at Minas Tirith.", but does Pippin have his uniform when he first meets Denethor. Judging from Boyd's face, there's some emotion in this scene and I wonder if it's later. Perhaps Denethor bemoans Faramir letting the Ring go and Pippin pipes in with some more information as to the events that led to Boromir's death. I don't know if I like this, as I don't want to see Pippin dissing Boromir.It's also entirely possible that whoever wrote the caption is just guessing.H.C.

Arathiriel · 05-27-2003, 12:38 AM

Actually I think this picture maybe possibly from the scene where Denethor tries to burn himself and Faramir up as you can see in this picture what looks to be the corner of a funeral pyre....If it is that scene in this picture that would explain why Pippin looks to be so upset. Also if it from the scene I think it is then Pippin was already released from his service to Denethor but I hardly think that should have a difference concerning the Lorien cloak as either way I don't believe Pip should have it on....Anyway if this movie is as good as they say it is, I'll be willing to overlook the cloak goof-up, won't you?

Finwe · 05-27-2003, 04:00 PM

I think that scene could still be when Pippin first meets Denethor. After all, old Denny would try to get in a few insults, and especially when he asks Pippin why no aid came to Boromir. I'd assume that the little Hobbit would get slightly peeved about that.

Scott · 05-27-2003, 04:33 PM

What you said was true about Denethor's jabs Finwe, however if it is the scene where Pippin first speaks with Denethor, there is absolutely no way he could have his armor on, is there? Didn't he get his his armor after a day or two and the grand tour of Minas Tirith? I doubt Boyens and Jackson would twist the plot so much as to make that work... at least I'm hoping they wouldn't.

Morquesse · 05-27-2003, 05:13 PM

Well, it would have be after Pippin met Denethor because Pip did not have his elven brooch when he first met him. As you can see, he has it in the picture. Of course, we are guessing by the books. ~M

HCIsland · 05-27-2003, 05:23 PM

Pippin likely gets his broach back at Isengard, which means he would certainly have it when he meets Denethor in Minas Tirith. Aw well, he does look good in the black and silver though.H.C.

Oddwen · 05-29-2003, 05:30 AM

VERY cool picture, just as I imagined it! I noticed this too...hmm. About the emotion, I should think that he was describing Boromir's death, and how valiantly he fought.

05-29-2003, 10:25 AM

There's something else that I noticed in that image. Is that circular object at Pip's side the beginning of his sword hilt? Assuming he kept his old sword from tFOTR, isn't that hilt a different shape than the one at his side? Maybe he gets a completely different sword in the ROTK movie, but I'm just trying to clarify. Does anyone have any thoughts/insight on this?

HCIsland · 05-29-2003, 10:32 AM

I'm sure the armoury of Minas Tirith could provide him with a better sword than the one Aragorn picked up in (I assume) Bree.H.C.

Aratlithiel · 05-29-2003, 11:31 AM

I must agree with Arathiriel because our names are so similar. Kidding!No, I really do agree because if you look to Pippin's right, that marble platform looks suspiciously like a tomb with a carved figure laid to rest on top of it (similar to the one in Elrond's vision of Aragorn's death). That would lead us to believe that this scene is at Rath Dinen where Pippin tries to defend Faramir against Denethor. I think the black thing behind him is more likely a black-draped bier holding Faramir.

Sapphire_Flame · 05-30-2003, 04:59 PM

I agree with Aratlithiel. It looks to be the pyre scene. and a very good picture of Mr. Took, I might add.

Rose Cotton · 05-30-2003, 05:49 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>a very good picture of Mr. Took, I might add. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I agree. I love a hobbit in uniform. And I also think this is the first time that I've seen a hobbit in chain mail.(Frodo's Mithril chain mail dosn't count)As long as we're all nitpicking dosn't the uniform fit too well. If my memory serves me well it wasn't tailored to fit him was it? Because if not then it should be a bit baggy on him. That's just my two cents.

05-26-2003, 08:12 PM	#1
Arathiriel Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Blessed Realm Posts: 284	Slight Nitpick Here Possibly ROTK movie spoilers below:<P><P><BR><P><BR><P><BR><BR>Okay, I am looking at the picture of Pippin in his Gondorian armor and I believe I found a slight problem with it. In the picture Pippin is wearing his Lorien cloak along with the armor and correct me if I am wrong but didn't it say in the book that he was not permitted to wear the cloak from Lothlorien while he was on duty?<P>Yeah, yeah I know I am nitpicking here but I am <B>REALLY </B> grateful that they are releasing some pictures from the movie to the fans...<P><I>sighs</I><P>Only 204 more days until ROTK!!! __________________ 'I love him. He's like that, and sometimes it shines through, somehow. But I love him, whether or no.' - Samwise Gamgee

05-26-2003, 08:59 PM	#2
Estella Brandybuck Haunting Spirit Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The Satellite of Love Posts: 73	You're right, it said something in RotK about how his cloak was folded and put away, but he was still allowed to keep it. Maybe he wasn't on-duty in the picture? Or maybe they've just decided to leave that part out because it's such a minor detail. But I didn't notice that before you pointed it out. __________________ "But the Rohirrim sang no more. Death they cried with one voice loud and terrible, and gathering speed like a great tide their battle swept about their fallen king and passed, roaring away southwards." - RotK Do you enjoy reading and writing LotR fanfiction?

05-26-2003, 09:14 PM	#3
HCIsland Zombie Cannibal Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,000	Actually a small thing bugs me as well about that <A HREF="http://www.theonering.net/scrapbook/group/797/view/6699" TARGET=_blank>picture</A>. The caption reads, "Pippin tries to explain Boromir’s death to his father Denethor, the Steward of Gondor at Minas Tirith.", but does Pippin have his uniform when he first meets Denethor. Judging from Boyd's face, there's some emotion in this scene and I wonder if it's later. Perhaps Denethor bemoans Faramir letting the Ring go and Pippin pipes in with some more information as to the events that led to Boromir's death. I don't know if I like this, as I don't want to see Pippin dissing Boromir.<P>It's also entirely possible that whoever wrote the caption is just guessing.<P>H.C. __________________ "Stir not the bitterness in the cup that I mixed myself. Have I not tasted it now many nights upon my tongue, foreboding that worse yet lay in the dregs." -Denethor

05-27-2003, 12:38 AM	#4
Arathiriel Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Blessed Realm Posts: 284	Actually I think this picture maybe possibly from the scene where Denethor tries to burn himself and Faramir up as you can see in this picture what looks to be the corner of a funeral pyre....<P>If it is that scene in this picture that would explain why Pippin looks to be so upset. Also if it from the scene I think it is then Pippin was already released from his service to Denethor but I hardly think that should have a difference concerning the Lorien cloak as either way I don't believe Pip should have it on....<P>Anyway if this movie is as good as they say it is, I'll be willing to overlook the cloak goof-up, won't you? __________________ 'I love him. He's like that, and sometimes it shines through, somehow. But I love him, whether or no.' - Samwise Gamgee

05-27-2003, 04:00 PM	#5
Finwe Deathless Sun Join Date: May 2003 Location: The Royal Suite in the Halls of Mandos Posts: 2,609	I think that scene could still be when Pippin first meets Denethor. After all, old Denny would try to get in a few insults, and especially when he asks Pippin why no aid came to Boromir. I'd assume that the little Hobbit would get slightly peeved about that. __________________ But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.

05-27-2003, 04:33 PM	#6
Scott Wight Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Ohio/Grey Havens Posts: 183	What you said was true about Denethor's jabs Finwe, however if it is the scene where Pippin first speaks with Denethor, there is absolutely no way he could have his armor on, is there? Didn't he get his his armor after a day or two and the grand tour of Minas Tirith? I doubt Boyens and Jackson would twist the plot so much as to make that work... at least I'm hoping they wouldn't. __________________ Those who the Gods would destroy, They first make mad. ~Those Crazy Greeks

05-27-2003, 05:13 PM	#7
Morquesse Wight Join Date: May 2002 Location: Past the fields we know.... Posts: 202	Well, it would have be after Pippin met Denethor because Pip did not have his elven brooch when he first met him. As you can see, he has it in the picture. Of course, we are guessing by the books.<BR>~M __________________ I'm not ashamed to let you know I want this light in me to show. I'm not ashamed to speak the name of Jesus Christ.~Newsboys

05-27-2003, 05:23 PM	#8
HCIsland Zombie Cannibal Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,000	Pippin likely gets his broach back at Isengard, which means he would certainly have it when he meets Denethor in Minas Tirith. Aw well, he does look good in the black and silver though.<P>H.C. __________________ "Stir not the bitterness in the cup that I mixed myself. Have I not tasted it now many nights upon my tongue, foreboding that worse yet lay in the dregs." -Denethor

05-29-2003, 05:30 AM	#9
Oddwen Drummer in the Deep Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Next Sunday A.D. Posts: 2,145	VERY cool picture, just as I imagined it!<BR>I noticed this too...hmm.<BR>About the emotion, I should think that he was describing Boromir's death, and how valiantly he fought. __________________ But all the while I sit and think of times there were before I listen for returning feet and voices at the door

05-29-2003, 10:25 AM	#10
Peregrin Brandybuck Guest Posts: n/a	There's something else that I noticed in that image. Is that circular object at Pip's side the beginning of his sword hilt? Assuming he kept his old sword from tFOTR, isn't that hilt a different shape than the one at his side? Maybe he gets a completely different sword in the ROTK movie, but I'm just trying to clarify. <P>Does anyone have any thoughts/insight on this?

05-29-2003, 10:32 AM	#11
HCIsland Zombie Cannibal Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,000	I'm sure the armoury of Minas Tirith could provide him with a better sword than the one Aragorn picked up in (I assume) Bree.<P>H.C. __________________ "Stir not the bitterness in the cup that I mixed myself. Have I not tasted it now many nights upon my tongue, foreboding that worse yet lay in the dregs." -Denethor

05-29-2003, 11:31 AM	#12
Aratlithiel Wight Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 196	I must agree with Arathiriel because our names are so similar. Kidding!<P>No, I really do agree because if you look to Pippin's right, that marble platform looks suspiciously like a tomb with a carved figure laid to rest on top of it (similar to the one in Elrond's vision of Aragorn's death). That would lead us to believe that this scene is at Rath Dinen where Pippin tries to defend Faramir against Denethor. I think the black thing behind him is more likely a black-draped bier holding Faramir. __________________ - I must find the Mountain of Fire and cast the thing into the gulf of Doom. Gandalf said so. I do not think I shall ever get there. - Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup. - Where are we going?...And why am I in this handbasket?

05-30-2003, 04:59 PM	#13
Sapphire_Flame Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: The World That Never Was Posts: 1,232	I agree with Aratlithiel. It looks to be the pyre scene. and a very good picture of Mr. Took, I might add. __________________ The Hitchhiking Ghost

05-30-2003, 05:49 PM	#14
Rose Cotton Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: A place worse then Mordor........School! Posts: 1,075	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>a very good picture of Mr. Took, I might add. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I agree. I love a hobbit in uniform. And I also think this is the first time that I've seen a hobbit in chain mail.(Frodo's Mithril chain mail dosn't count)<P>As long as we're all nitpicking dosn't the uniform fit too well. If my memory serves me well it wasn't tailored to fit him was it? Because if not then it should be a bit baggy on him. That's just my two cents. __________________ "There's nothing you can do, Harry... nothing... he's gone."-Remus Lupin "The closer we are to danger, the further we are from harm."-Pippin (now how can you argue with that logic?)