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dunadan_aragorn · 05-20-2003, 11:51 AM

Qouth the Raven Did Samwise smoke in the movie? I didn't see him do it, and in the book he did...didn't he??? Nevermore[ May 20, 2003: Message edited by: dunadan_aragorn ]

Lossentilien · 05-20-2003, 11:55 AM

I can kind of see it in my head, but just because it's in my head doesn't mean it was actually in the film. But then agin, it is quite vivid. I'll have to watch the film now...

Meela · 05-20-2003, 12:29 PM

The only smoke he inhaled was the smoke from his campfire. Unless he smoked in a scene from the extended version. I remember Frodo smoking, and I'm sure Sam smoked at one point.

**The Saucepan Man** · 05-20-2003, 12:42 PM

Well, the only shots that I can find of Sam smoking a pipe are in the extended DVD, when he and Frodo are on their way out of the Shire, just before they see the Elves. Here's one:

Meela · 05-20-2003, 12:45 PM

That's the one I was thinking of Only I wish I wasn't... does anyone else collapse in tears when they talk about the elves leaving Middle Earth forever, or am I just over-sensitive?

Lossentilien · 05-20-2003, 01:04 PM

That's it! I, err...knew I wasn't crazy...And I know exactly what you mean. I can't stand the parts about the elves leaving, it always gets me depressed, and then people give me strange looks. But it's just so sad. I can't read Arwen and Aragorn's story without feeling awful.

Rose Cotton · 05-20-2003, 02:09 PM

I think in the theatrical version he was smoking. It was after the field scene when Sam was afraid of taking another step. When Bilbo is doing the voice over Sam and Frodo are tending a fire and that's when Sam smokes. I really think that was in the theatrical verson. I've also think there were some other shots of Sam with a pipe but they wern't movie shots.

HCIsland · 05-20-2003, 03:22 PM

The same thought occured to me Rose. He does smoke while tending the fire in the theatrical version. This has got me wondering what other fellowship characters have we not seen smoking. Legolas is the obvious one. Boromir? Merry and Pippin? (if not, I hope we see them smoking at Isengard early in RotK).H.C.

dunadan_aragorn · 05-20-2003, 03:28 PM

Quoth the Raven The elves leaving make me REALLY sad. I can hardly stand it. And I'm jsut wondering, does anyone find it annoying that I have "quoth the raven" in all my posts, because if it does, I will stop. Nevermore

Lossentilien · 05-20-2003, 04:41 PM

Personally, it doesn't annoy me. But why do you write it?Do you think that smoking is as bad for you in ME as it is in real life? If so, the hobbits have very long life spans considering...they seem to smoke a lot. As does Gandalf. Maybe that's why the Elves are immortal. I am going to bed, as I've just read over all that rubbish I just wrote, and think I need some sleep.

Shy Hobbit · 05-20-2003, 04:46 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Boromir? Merry and Pippin? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I'm pretty sure Boromir was smoking outside the doors of Moria when Gandalf couldn't remember the password, right before they cut to the scene of Aragorn letting Bill go.Merry is smoking inside Moria, once again when they're waiting while Gandalf thinks This is the "He's remembered!" scene.

Rose Cotton · 05-20-2003, 05:10 PM

Perhaps they would have put more smoking in the movie exept that if you watched the commentry part of the extended edition they were afraid people would get angry at them for it.As for Legolas, I have never heard of an elf smoking ever in Tolkien's books. The idea is almost as odd as Gimli in a tutu dress.(I have no idea where that idea came from)

**The Saucepan Man** · 05-20-2003, 05:33 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> I think in the theatrical version he was smoking. It was after the field scene when Sam was afraid of taking another step. When Bilbo is doing the voice over Sam and Frodo are tending a fire and that's when Sam smokes. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> The same thought occured to me Rose. He does smoke while tending the fire in the theatrical version. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>This must be the scene that you are thinking of: I had thought that it was the same scene as the extended DVD one mentioned previously, but it seems to match the one that you are talking about. <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> This has got me wondering what other fellowship characters have we not seen smoking. Legolas is the obvious one. Boromir? Merry and Pippin? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> I'm pretty sure Boromir was smoking outside the doors of Moria when Gandalf couldn't remember the password, right before they cut to the scene of Aragorn letting Bill go. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I couldn't find one of Boromir, although I am sure that I recall seeing one. Here is Merry smoking his pipe, although it looks like a promotional shot: I agree, HC, that he and Pippin should be enjoying the fruits of the pipeweed cache when Aragorn and co turn up at Isengard in RotK. <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Do you think that smoking is as bad for you in ME as it is in real life? If so, the hobbits have very long life spans considering...they seem to smoke a lot. As does Gandalf. Maybe that's why the Elves are immortal. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Here is a thread on this point: <A HREF="http://forum.barrowdowns.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=1&t=002318" TARGET=_blank>Pipeweed. Good or Bad?</A> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> As for Legolas, I have never heard of an elf smoking ever in Tolkien's books. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>No, I believe that (in the book) Legolas refers to it as a curious habit when Aragorn and Gimli join Merry and Pippin for a smoke at Isengard. Ironic, really, since Elves are the ones who do not succumb to disease ...

05-20-2003, 11:51 AM	#1
dunadan_aragorn Wight Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: the bowels of Moria Posts: 105	Samwise and Joe Qouth the Raven<BR>Did Samwise smoke in the movie? I didn't see him do it, and in the book he did...didn't he???<BR>Nevermore<p>[ May 20, 2003: Message edited by: dunadan_aragorn ] __________________ Allia Octa Est, The Die is Cast -Julius Ceaser

05-20-2003, 11:55 AM	#2
Lossentilien Wight Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: lost in a web of intrigue Posts: 123	I can kind of see it in my head, but just because it's in my head doesn't mean it was actually in the film. But then agin, it is quite vivid. I'll have to watch the film now... __________________ "Can I cry as much as I want? The white snow falls and hides my tears." Imladris

05-20-2003, 12:29 PM	#3
Meela Denethor's True Love Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Mirkwood. With Thranduil... swoon Posts: 2,049	The only smoke he inhaled was the smoke from his campfire.<BR>Unless he smoked in a scene from the extended version. I remember Frodo smoking, and I'm sure Sam smoked at one point. __________________ 'The Hobbit' 1st impressions: 1. Thorin is hot... Oh god, I fancy a dwarf. 2. Thranduil is hotter. 3. Is that... Figwit! 4. Does Elijah Wood never age? 2nd: It's all about Fili & Kili, really. 3rd: BARD! OMG, Bard.

05-20-2003, 12:42 PM	#4
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	Well, the only shots that I can find of Sam smoking a pipe are in the extended DVD, when he and Frodo are on their way out of the Shire, just before they see the Elves. Here's one:<P> __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

05-20-2003, 12:45 PM	#5
Meela Denethor's True Love Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Mirkwood. With Thranduil... swoon Posts: 2,049	That's the one I was thinking of <BR>Only I wish I wasn't... does anyone else collapse in tears when they talk about the elves leaving Middle Earth forever, or am I just over-sensitive? __________________ 'The Hobbit' 1st impressions: 1. Thorin is hot... Oh god, I fancy a dwarf. 2. Thranduil is hotter. 3. Is that... Figwit! 4. Does Elijah Wood never age? 2nd: It's all about Fili & Kili, really. 3rd: BARD! OMG, Bard.

05-20-2003, 01:04 PM	#6
Lossentilien Wight Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: lost in a web of intrigue Posts: 123	That's it! I, err...knew I wasn't crazy...<P>And I know exactly what you mean. I can't stand the parts about the elves leaving, it always gets me depressed, and then people give me strange looks. But it's just so sad. I can't read Arwen and Aragorn's story without feeling awful. __________________ "Can I cry as much as I want? The white snow falls and hides my tears." Imladris

05-20-2003, 02:09 PM	#7
Rose Cotton Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: A place worse then Mordor........School! Posts: 1,075	I think in the theatrical version he was smoking. It was after the field scene when Sam was afraid of taking another step. When Bilbo is doing the voice over Sam and Frodo are tending a fire and that's when Sam smokes. I really think that was in the theatrical verson. I've also think there were some other shots of Sam with a pipe but they wern't movie shots. __________________ "There's nothing you can do, Harry... nothing... he's gone."-Remus Lupin "The closer we are to danger, the further we are from harm."-Pippin (now how can you argue with that logic?)

05-20-2003, 03:22 PM	#8
HCIsland Zombie Cannibal Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,000	The same thought occured to me Rose. He does smoke while tending the fire in the theatrical version. This has got me wondering what other fellowship characters have we not seen smoking. Legolas is the obvious one. Boromir? Merry and Pippin? (if not, I hope we see them smoking at Isengard early in RotK).<P>H.C. __________________ "Stir not the bitterness in the cup that I mixed myself. Have I not tasted it now many nights upon my tongue, foreboding that worse yet lay in the dregs." -Denethor

05-20-2003, 03:28 PM	#9
dunadan_aragorn Wight Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: the bowels of Moria Posts: 105	Quoth the Raven<BR>The elves leaving make me REALLY sad. I can hardly stand it. And I'm jsut wondering, does anyone find it annoying that I have "quoth the raven" in all my posts, because if it does, I will stop.<BR>Nevermore __________________ Allia Octa Est, The Die is Cast -Julius Ceaser

05-20-2003, 04:41 PM	#10
Lossentilien Wight Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: lost in a web of intrigue Posts: 123	Personally, it doesn't annoy me. But why do you write it?<P>Do you think that smoking is as bad for you in ME as it is in real life? If so, the hobbits have very long life spans considering...they seem to smoke a lot. As does Gandalf. Maybe that's why the Elves are immortal. <BR>I am going to bed, as I've just read over all that rubbish I just wrote, and think I need some sleep. __________________ "Can I cry as much as I want? The white snow falls and hides my tears." Imladris

05-20-2003, 04:46 PM	#11
Shy Hobbit Wight Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: In my own little world Posts: 201	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Boromir? Merry and Pippin? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I'm pretty sure Boromir was smoking outside the doors of Moria when Gandalf couldn't remember the password, right before they cut to the scene of Aragorn letting Bill go.<P>Merry is smoking inside Moria, once again when they're waiting while Gandalf thinks This is the "He's remembered!" scene. __________________ Make Middle-Earth a friendlier place, hug a balrog today! ~The Fellowship of the King~

05-20-2003, 05:10 PM	#12
Rose Cotton Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: A place worse then Mordor........School! Posts: 1,075	Perhaps they would have put more smoking in the movie exept that if you watched the commentry part of the extended edition they were afraid people would get angry at them for it.<P>As for Legolas, I have never heard of an elf smoking ever in Tolkien's books. The idea is almost as odd as Gimli in a tutu dress.(I have no idea where that idea came from) __________________ "There's nothing you can do, Harry... nothing... he's gone."-Remus Lupin "The closer we are to danger, the further we are from harm."-Pippin (now how can you argue with that logic?)

05-20-2003, 05:33 PM	#13
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> I think in the theatrical version he was smoking. It was after the field scene when Sam was afraid of taking another step. When Bilbo is doing the voice over Sam and Frodo are tending a fire and that's when Sam smokes. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> The same thought occured to me Rose. He does smoke while tending the fire in the theatrical version. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>This must be the scene that you are thinking of:<P> <P>I had thought that it was the same scene as the extended DVD one mentioned previously, but it seems to match the one that you are talking about.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> This has got me wondering what other fellowship characters have we not seen smoking. Legolas is the obvious one. Boromir? Merry and Pippin? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> I'm pretty sure Boromir was smoking outside the doors of Moria when Gandalf couldn't remember the password, right before they cut to the scene of Aragorn letting Bill go. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I couldn't find one of Boromir, although I am sure that I recall seeing one. Here is Merry smoking his pipe, although it looks like a promotional shot:<P> <P>I agree, HC, that he and Pippin should be enjoying the fruits of the pipeweed cache when Aragorn and co turn up at Isengard in RotK.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Do you think that smoking is as bad for you in ME as it is in real life? If so, the hobbits have very long life spans considering...they seem to smoke a lot. As does Gandalf. Maybe that's why the Elves are immortal. <BR> <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Here is a thread on this point: <A HREF="http://forum.barrowdowns.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=1&t=002318" TARGET=_blank>Pipeweed. Good or Bad?</A><P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> As for Legolas, I have never heard of an elf smoking ever in Tolkien's books. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>No, I believe that (in the book) Legolas refers to it as a curious habit when Aragorn and Gimli join Merry and Pippin for a smoke at Isengard. Ironic, really, since Elves are the ones who do not succumb to disease ... __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!