Talking Eagles - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Peri · 02-21-2003, 11:01 AM

Hello all. I was just thinking to myself...If PJ holds true to the third book, and Gwaihir does show up to offer his assistance to Gandalf, how are they going to make Gwaihir talk without making it look too cheesy? Or maybe he won't have Gwaihir talk at all? What do you think?

davem · 02-21-2003, 11:40 AM

'If PJ holds true to the third book', well MY GOD, THAT would be a novelty'

Estelyn Telcontar · 02-21-2003, 01:30 PM

...moving this movie topic to the Movies forum...

HCIsland · 02-21-2003, 07:17 PM

I don't know, but my guess is the Eagles won't talk for the reason you gave. That is if they are even there.H.C.

Arvedui III · 02-21-2003, 09:00 PM

They probibly won't be in ROTK. After all, they still have to have to show Shelob, and Isenguard,and Mt. Doom, and the Battle of Pelinor Fields(sorry, I can't spell) and well, yah, somehow I think the eagles won't make an apperence. But we can still hope(though I think it will like in FOTR when I held out for the first hour of the movie, hoping that Tom Bombadill would show up )

avarrogion · 02-21-2003, 09:03 PM

Well maybe he could do something like they did for the movie BABE or Cats & Dogs....can`t wait to see great Gwaihir in action

Rynoah, the Overly-Happy · 02-21-2003, 10:47 PM

It shouldn't be too hard to make the eagle speak and not make it cheesy. I think so, anyway. After all, it IS a fantasy movie. And how would Gandalf had told the eagle where he wanted to go in FotR if it didn't understand the Common Tongue or at least Elvish? And if it can understand either language, why not be able to speak it? And, since having it speak Elvish would probably be too much trouble, they may have him speak Common. That is, as previously said, if they have the Eagles at all. Or my logic could just be clouded by cold medicine.

doug*platypus · 02-22-2003, 02:41 AM

I'm glad you brought this up, Peri, and not just so that I could see your avatar (picture thingy below your name)! If you've read the Silmarillion (if you haven't, then do!), Glaurung is one of the most obvious cases of a creature talking. But I have always pictured him as not speaking with his mouth, just telepathically, the way Galadriel sometimes does in the movies (called Osanwë-Kenta by Tolkien). I haven't seen Cats&Dogs, but it looks pretty crap. And I'd have to say that the way the animals talked was the worst thing about the Dr. Doolittle movies. I think the Eagles would look cool just showing body language, with their heads and eyes, and their voices just coming out of nowhere. If their lips move, I'm leaving!

Inderjit Sanghera · 02-22-2003, 08:15 AM

If their not in the movie then how will Sam and Frodo get back from Mordor to Cormallen? Catch the train? Be rescued by Arwen?[ February 22, 2003: Message edited by: Inderjit Sanghera ]

Dimannûnien · 02-22-2003, 08:23 AM

I don't see any problem with at least one eagle showing up to rescue Sam and Frodo. I think it would round off things neatly, especially as Gandalf has already been rescued himself in FOTR.As far as talking is concerned who knows? gandalf speaks to the moth that speaks to the eagle. Presumably the eagle could squeak a bit and Gandalf translate?

02-21-2003, 11:01 AM	#1
Peri Wight Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Rivendell Posts: 124	Talking Eagles Hello all. I was just thinking to myself...If PJ holds true to the third book, and Gwaihir does show up to offer his assistance to Gandalf, how are they going to make Gwaihir talk without making it look too cheesy? Or maybe he won't have Gwaihir talk at all? What do you think? __________________ "Ah, but I'll begowk ye there!" cried the gentleman. "Play me false, and I'll play you cunning."

02-21-2003, 11:40 AM	#2
davem Illustrious Ulair Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: In the home of lost causes, and forsaken beliefs, and unpopular names,and impossible loyalties Posts: 4,240	'If PJ holds true to the third book', well MY GOD, THAT would be a novelty' __________________ “Everything was an object. If you killed a dwarf you could use it as a weapon – it was no different to other large heavy objects."

02-21-2003, 01:30 PM	#3
Estelyn Telcontar Princess of Skwerlz Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: where the Sea is eastwards (WtR: 6060 miles) Posts: 7,500	...moving this movie topic to the Movies forum... __________________ 'Mercy!' cried Gandalf. 'If the giving of information is to be the cure of your inquisitiveness, I shall spend all the rest of my days in answering you. What more do you want to know?' 'The whole history of Middle-earth...'

02-21-2003, 07:17 PM	#4
HCIsland Zombie Cannibal Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,000	I don't know, but my guess is the Eagles won't talk for the reason you gave. That is if they are even there.<P>H.C. __________________ "Stir not the bitterness in the cup that I mixed myself. Have I not tasted it now many nights upon my tongue, foreboding that worse yet lay in the dregs." -Denethor

02-21-2003, 09:00 PM	#5
Arvedui III Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: In Rohan, with Carolina on my mind Posts: 629	They probibly won't be in ROTK. After all, they still have to have to show Shelob, and Isenguard,and Mt. Doom, and the Battle of Pelinor Fields(sorry, I can't spell) and well, yah, somehow I think the eagles won't make an apperence. But we can still hope(though I think it will like in FOTR when I held out for the first hour of the movie, hoping that Tom Bombadill would show up ) __________________ I have no idea what you just said, but I'm inspired!

02-21-2003, 09:03 PM	#6
avarrogion Wight Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Malaysia Posts: 120	Well maybe he could do something like they did for the movie BABE or Cats & Dogs....can`t wait to see great Gwaihir in action __________________ I might have been a slasher but I never killed children, only real men!...A mistake cannot make right by another mistake... ~Kenshin Himura~

02-21-2003, 10:47 PM	#7
Rynoah, the Overly-Happy Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Arizona Posts: 474	It shouldn't be too hard to make the eagle speak and not make it cheesy. I think so, anyway. After all, it IS a fantasy movie. And how would Gandalf had told the eagle where he wanted to go in FotR if it didn't understand the Common Tongue or at least Elvish? And if it can understand either language, why not be able to speak it? And, since having it speak Elvish would probably be too much trouble, they may have him speak Common. That is, as previously said, if they have the Eagles at all. Or my logic could just be clouded by cold medicine. __________________ Spook the spook of spookish spookdom to spook the spooked spookers. ?!?! This isn't Osgiliath! Do the wave for Boromir the Disco King! Eat squid for Boromir the Disco King!

02-22-2003, 02:41 AM	#8
doug*platypus Delver in the Deep Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Aotearoa Posts: 960	I'm glad you brought this up, Peri, and not just so that I could see your avatar (picture thingy below your name)! <P>If you've read the Silmarillion (if you haven't, then do!), Glaurung is one of the most obvious cases of a creature talking. But I have always pictured him as not speaking with his mouth, just telepathically, the way Galadriel sometimes does in the movies (called Osanwë-Kenta by Tolkien). <P>I haven't seen Cats&Dogs, but it looks pretty crap. And I'd have to say that the way the animals talked was the worst thing about the Dr. Doolittle movies. I think the Eagles would look cool just showing body language, with their heads and eyes, and their voices just coming out of nowhere. If their lips move, I'm leaving! __________________ But Gwindor answered: 'The doom lies in yourself, not in your name'.

02-22-2003, 08:15 AM	#9
Inderjit Sanghera Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Wolverhampton, England Posts: 716	If their not in the movie then how will Sam and Frodo get back from Mordor to Cormallen? Catch the train? Be rescued by Arwen?<p>[ February 22, 2003: Message edited by: Inderjit Sanghera ] __________________ “If I’m more of an influence on your son as a rapper then you are as a father then you've got to look at yourself as a parent” ~>Ice Cube. "Life is so beautiful"->Don Vito Corleone

02-22-2003, 08:23 AM	#10
Dimannûnien Animated Skeleton Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 36	I don't see any problem with at least one eagle showing up to rescue Sam and Frodo. I think it would round off things neatly, especially as Gandalf has already been rescued himself in FOTR.<P>As far as talking is concerned who knows? gandalf speaks to the moth that speaks to the eagle. Presumably the eagle could squeak a bit and Gandalf translate?