Concerning Figwit - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

gralin musicteeth · 02-19-2003, 06:45 PM

In the movie, Figwit (among others) has dark hair. I thought all Elves were blonde with the exception of Elrond, Arwen, and Luthien. Is there anywhere in the books that says this is not so? If there is, where is it?

Ithaeliel · 02-19-2003, 07:22 PM

Errr... which one is Figwit?

***Sharkû*** · 02-19-2003, 07:27 PM

The colours of Elven hair are just as diverse as of human; more, actually, since some had 'silver' hair.

Galadrie1 · 02-19-2003, 09:20 PM

I always thought that Half-Elves had darker hair.... Maybe that's just something I made up?

Gorwingel · 02-19-2003, 09:33 PM

Figwit is this guy<A HREF="http://www.figwitlives.net" TARGET=_blank>Figwit Lives!</A>He is a random unamed elf in the Council of Elrond scene, they nicknamed him Figwit, Figwit means Frodo-is-great-who-is-that?

LadyElbereth · 02-19-2003, 09:43 PM

No no, your saying it all wrong Gorwingel! It's: Frodo is grea...who is THAT?! lol, I didn't even notice Figwit until someone pointed him out to me.As for the question, I thought the books said that Elrond's sons had brown hair also...or maybe it was just my imagination.Anyway, I don't think Tolkein ever said that all elves were blonde.

Gorwingel · 02-19-2003, 10:04 PM

I apologize greatly for my terrible mistake, I should have known better

DaughterofVana · 02-19-2003, 10:06 PM

Dang, we better not tell the Orli freaks about this one... But what kind of name is "Figwit"?! I mean, good grief!::wonders how to say "blindingly handsome dream-elf" in Sindarin, then bangs head repeatedly against wall::There. All better now.Anyway, I hold with Sharkû. The seven sons of Fëanor differed in hair color, and they were from the same family--one was "fair," the other "dark." If it differed regionally then they would all be "fair," or all "dark," right? <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>I always thought that Half-Elves had darker hair... maybe that's something I made up? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Si. How would you explain Luthien? She was a brunette.-'Vana[ February 19, 2003: Message edited by: DaughterofVana ]

Tar-Palantir · 02-19-2003, 10:25 PM

He looks like a troublemaker to me....

Ithaeliel · 02-19-2003, 10:31 PM

*BIG REVELATION* Ohhhhhhh, NOW I get it! I always wondered what people were talking about when they said something about Figwit! Was he just from the movie, though? And I thought he was one of Elrond's sons...[ February 19, 2003: Message edited by: Ithaeliel ]

Eressië Ailin · 02-20-2003, 01:17 AM

Nope, Elrohir and Elladan were Elrond's sons. Figwit was just one of the nameless Elves that PJ felt sorry for and gave him the really gay name Figwit.

Finwen · 02-20-2003, 04:30 AM

Argh, hair colour again! Alright. There's a distinct difference between the movies and the book, because PJ used the idea that Elves from Rivendell were dark-haired, and Elves from Lothlorien (and Mirkwood) were blond(e). I suppose that's why Figwit is dark; because he's taken to be a Rivendell Elf. (Admittedly this is not always the case, as I'm sure I've seen dark-haired Elves in 'Lorien, and there's a few red-heads floating around, but they're exceptions to the general rule.) Regarding the question "What does it say in the book," in Appendix F, II - On Translation, it says (of the Eldar aka the High Elves: <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> They were tall, fair of skin and grey-eyed, though their locks were dark, save in the golden house of Finarfin... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>So basically, that can be taken to mean that most High Elves (mainly those living in Rivendell) had dark hair, which agrees with the fact that Figwit is dark. No idea if that helps or not, but I've confused myself as to where this discussion is going now. Curse those Elves and their hair colouring!

eleanor_niphredil · 02-20-2003, 06:24 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Dang, we better not tell the Orli freaks about this one... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Ah, but they already know! FIGWIT, FIGWIT, FIGWIT!Kind of off-topic, is Figwit the elf they you see the back of ridding into Rivendell?

Finwen · 02-20-2003, 07:10 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Kind of off-topic, is Figwit the elf they you see the back of ridding into Rivendell? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I don't think so. I think that's a different random Elf. If you freeze the scene and study him, he looks different to Figwit. Different hair colour, too, I think. And I'm sure the Figwit obsessives would have picked up on it by now! Note: Yes, I do have far too much time on my hands.

Arwen Imladris · 02-20-2003, 05:51 PM

You can also check out <A HREF="http://forum.barrowdowns.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=4&t=001412" TARGET=_blank>this thread </A> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Figwit was just one of the nameless Elves that PJ felt sorry for and gave him the really gay name Figwit. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I don't think it was PJ. I don't have the article on me right now, but I am pretty sure it was just some fans somewhere who gave him a name. <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> "Figwit" is played by Bret McKenzie, he only took the part because his girlfriend, a secretary at Weta, made him. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

02-19-2003, 06:45 PM	#1
gralin musicteeth Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Tossing half-sick between grotesque reality and savage, frightening dreams Posts: 360	Concerning Figwit In the movie, Figwit (among others) has dark hair. I thought all Elves were blonde with the exception of Elrond, Arwen, and Luthien. Is there anywhere in the books that says this is not so? If there is, where is it? __________________ Where was the stooped and mealy-coloured old man I used to call Poppa when the merry-go-round broke down?

02-19-2003, 07:22 PM	#2
Ithaeliel Cornus Caliga Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Five-hundred-twenty-five thousand, six hundred minutes from here Posts: 710	Errr... which one is Figwit? __________________ That best portion of a good man's life, His little, nameless, unremembered acts of kindness and of love. .................William Wordsworth

02-19-2003, 09:20 PM	#4
Galadrie1 Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: The wrong place at the wrong time. Posts: 385	I always thought that Half-Elves had darker hair.... Maybe that's just something I made up? __________________ "For this is what your folk would call magic, I believe; though I do not understand clearly what they mean; and they seem to use the same word of the deceits of the Enemy. But this, if you will, is the magic of Galadriel."

02-19-2003, 09:33 PM	#5
Gorwingel Beholder of the Mists Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Somewhere in the Northwest... for now Posts: 1,419	Figwit is this guy<P><A HREF="http://www.figwitlives.net" TARGET=_blank>Figwit Lives!</A><P>He is a random unamed elf in the Council of Elrond scene, they nicknamed him Figwit, Figwit means Frodo-is-great-who-is-that? __________________ Wanted - Wonderfully witty quote that consists of pure brilliance

02-19-2003, 09:43 PM	#6
LadyElbereth Wight Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Taniquetil Posts: 183	No no, your saying it all wrong Gorwingel! It's: Frodo is grea...who is THAT?! <BR>lol, I didn't even notice Figwit until someone pointed him out to me.<P>As for the question, I thought the books said that Elrond's sons had brown hair also...or maybe it was just my imagination.<P>Anyway, I don't think Tolkein ever said that all elves were blonde. __________________ If I could be anything, I'd be your tear, so I could be born in your eye, live down your cheek, and die on your lips.

02-19-2003, 07:27 PM	#3
*Sharkû* Hungry Ghoul Join Date: Jun 2000 Posts: 1,719	The colours of Elven hair are just as diverse as of human; more, actually, since some had 'silver' hair.

02-19-2003, 10:04 PM	#7
Gorwingel Beholder of the Mists Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Somewhere in the Northwest... for now Posts: 1,419	I apologize greatly for my terrible mistake, I should have known better __________________ Wanted - Wonderfully witty quote that consists of pure brilliance

02-19-2003, 10:06 PM	#8
DaughterofVana Wight Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: twirling contentedly in a flower-filled field Posts: 134	Dang, we better not tell the Orli freaks about this one... But what kind of name is "Figwit"?! I mean, good grief!<P>::wonders how to say "blindingly handsome dream-elf" in Sindarin, then bangs head repeatedly against wall::<P>There. All better now.<P>Anyway, I hold with Sharkû. The seven sons of Fëanor differed in hair color, and they were from the same family--one was "fair," the other "dark." If it differed regionally then they would all be "fair," or all "dark," right?<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>I always thought that Half-Elves had darker hair... maybe that's something I made up? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Si. How would you explain Luthien? She was a brunette.<P>-'Vana<p>[ February 19, 2003: Message edited by: DaughterofVana ] __________________ "There is a kind of happiness and wonder that makes you serious. It is too good to waste on jokes." Hi! Did you miss me?

02-19-2003, 10:25 PM	#9
Tar-Palantir Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: napa valley, ca Posts: 496	He looks like a troublemaker to me.... __________________ History shows again and again How nature points up the folly of men Go, go, Godzilla!

02-19-2003, 10:31 PM	#10
Ithaeliel Cornus Caliga Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Five-hundred-twenty-five thousand, six hundred minutes from here Posts: 710	BIG REVELATION Ohhhhhhh, NOW I get it! I always wondered what people were talking about when they said something about Figwit! Was he just from the movie, though? And I thought he was one of Elrond's sons...<p>[ February 19, 2003: Message edited by: Ithaeliel ] __________________ That best portion of a good man's life, His little, nameless, unremembered acts of kindness and of love. .................William Wordsworth

02-20-2003, 01:17 AM	#11
Eressië Ailin Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Past the Point of No Return... Posts: 502	Nope, Elrohir and Elladan were Elrond's sons. Figwit was just one of the nameless Elves that PJ felt sorry for and gave him the really gay name Figwit. __________________ Holy angel, in Heaven blessed... My spirit longs with thee to rest! ~Faust Never judge a book by its movie. ~J. W. Eagan By the big slippers of big slipperdom! ~M. Gillenormand, Les Misérables My blog!

02-20-2003, 04:30 AM	#12
Finwen Animated Skeleton Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: West Yorkshire, England Posts: 37	Argh, hair colour again! <P>Alright. There's a distinct difference between the movies and the book, because PJ used the idea that Elves from Rivendell were dark-haired, and Elves from Lothlorien (and Mirkwood) were blond(e). I suppose that's why Figwit is dark; because he's taken to be a Rivendell Elf. <P>(Admittedly this is not always the case, as I'm sure I've seen dark-haired Elves in 'Lorien, and there's a few red-heads floating around, but they're exceptions to the general rule.) <P>Regarding the question "What does it say in the book," in Appendix F, II - On Translation, it says (of the Eldar aka the High Elves: <P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> They were tall, fair of skin and grey-eyed, though their locks were dark, save in the golden house of Finarfin... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>So basically, that can be taken to mean that most High Elves (mainly those living in Rivendell) had dark hair, which agrees with the fact that Figwit is dark. <P>No idea if that helps or not, but I've confused myself as to where this discussion is going now. Curse those Elves and their hair colouring!

02-20-2003, 06:24 AM	#13
eleanor_niphredil Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: england Posts: 805	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Dang, we better not tell the Orli freaks about this one... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Ah, but they already know! <P>FIGWIT, FIGWIT, FIGWIT!<P>Kind of off-topic, is Figwit the elf they you see the back of ridding into Rivendell? __________________ Here I am, brain the size of a planet, and they ask me to spend my time on this forum. And by the way, for any of you turning into a penguin, stop it. ~* I am Pippin took in the Female Fellowship*~

02-20-2003, 07:10 AM	#14
Finwen Animated Skeleton Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: West Yorkshire, England Posts: 37	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Kind of off-topic, is Figwit the elf they you see the back of ridding into Rivendell? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I don't think so. I think that's a different random Elf. If you freeze the scene and study him, he looks different to Figwit. Different hair colour, too, I think. And I'm sure the Figwit obsessives would have picked up on it by now! <P>Note: Yes, I do have far too much time on my hands.

02-20-2003, 05:51 PM	#15
Arwen Imladris Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In a box with a fox Posts: 1,347	You can also check out <A HREF="http://forum.barrowdowns.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=4&t=001412" TARGET=_blank>this thread </A><P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Figwit was just one of the nameless Elves that PJ felt sorry for and gave him the really gay name Figwit. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I don't think it was PJ. I don't have the article on me right now, but I am pretty sure it was just some fans somewhere who gave him a name. <P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> "Figwit" is played by Bret McKenzie, he only took the part because his girlfriend, a secretary at Weta, made him. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> __________________ "Wake up! Wake up! Wake up, sleepies, we must go, yes, we must go at once."