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Lily Ahern · 02-16-2003, 10:50 AM

Question, why in the TT did Haldir of lorien turn up with a message from Lord Elrond of Rivendell. My theory is that lord elrond sent the message to Galadriel first before going to battle and Galadriel added to lord elronds forces. What do you think?

gilraën · 02-16-2003, 02:46 PM

This will probably be explained better in the extended version, but in the photo story book on the film a council/meeting with Elrond, Galadriel and Celeborn is described. During this there is a debate about helping the men at Helm's Deep, the photo book seems to imply that this meeting is physical rather than telepathic, but we'll have to wait to find out for sure. BTW both Elrond and Galdriel say that help should be given but Celeborn says no.

Dain · 02-16-2003, 03:32 PM

I heard it was going to be an actual meeting at first, but they changed it to telepathy to save...something... I guess the book didn't get updated. Wonder what version the extended DVD will have...

the mortal elf · 02-17-2003, 10:17 AM

I was under the impression that when Arwen left, she wasn't going to the havens, but to Lothlorien. She could have given the message to Haldir/Galadriel from Elrond.

Meela · 02-17-2003, 02:24 PM

i got kinda confused on the whole lorien elves but elrond sent them issue. in the end i gave up and decided that because elrond had sent all his elves to valinor, leaving him as the only elf in rivendell, he could send lorien elves but tag on his name, getting himself all the glory for helping out

Legolas · 02-19-2003, 03:46 PM

None of it will ever totally make sense, since it wasn't intended to be this way.<P>Anyway, the way the movie people set it up, Galadriel and Elrond communicate via <I>osanwe</I> - the communication of thought from one mind to another (yes - something created by Tolkien). I guess Galadriel gave Haldir Elrond's message.

02-16-2003, 10:50 AM	#1
Lily Ahern Pile O'Bones Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Rivendell, cork Posts: 20	haldir Question, why in the TT did Haldir of lorien turn up with a message from Lord Elrond of Rivendell. My theory is that lord elrond sent the message to Galadriel first before going to battle and Galadriel added to lord elronds forces. What do you think? __________________ lady Alakmundoiel of rivendell

02-16-2003, 02:46 PM	#2
gilraën Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Ireland Posts: 804	This will probably be explained better in the extended version, but in the photo story book on the film a council/meeting with Elrond, Galadriel and Celeborn is described. During this there is a debate about helping the men at Helm's Deep, the photo book seems to imply that this meeting is physical rather than telepathic, but we'll have to wait to find out for sure. BTW both Elrond and Galdriel say that help should be given but Celeborn says no. __________________ "Onen i-Estel Edain, u-chebin estel anim"

02-16-2003, 03:32 PM	#3
Dain Wight Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Iron Hills Posts: 127	I heard it was going to be an actual meeting at first, but they changed it to telepathy to save...something... I guess the book didn't get updated. Wonder what version the extended DVD will have... __________________ Only I have looked through the shadow of the Gate. Beyond the shadow it waits for you still: Durin's Bane.

02-17-2003, 10:17 AM	#4
the mortal elf Wight Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away... Posts: 201	I was under the impression that when Arwen left, she wasn't going to the havens, but to Lothlorien. She could have given the message to Haldir/Galadriel from Elrond. __________________ My imaginary friend says you have problems.

02-17-2003, 02:24 PM	#5
Meela Denethor's True Love Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Mirkwood. With Thranduil... swoon Posts: 2,049	i got kinda confused on the whole lorien elves but elrond sent them issue. in the end i gave up and decided that because elrond had sent all his elves to valinor, leaving him as the only elf in rivendell, he could send lorien elves but tag on his name, getting himself all the glory for helping out __________________ 'The Hobbit' 1st impressions: 1. Thorin is hot... Oh god, I fancy a dwarf. 2. Thranduil is hotter. 3. Is that... Figwit! 4. Does Elijah Wood never age? 2nd: It's all about Fili & Kili, really. 3rd: BARD! OMG, Bard.

02-19-2003, 03:46 PM	#6
Legolas A Northern Soul Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Valinor Posts: 1,847	None of it will ever totally make sense, since it wasn't intended to be this way.<P>Anyway, the way the movie people set it up, Galadriel and Elrond communicate via <I>osanwe</I> - the communication of thought from one mind to another (yes - something created by Tolkien). I guess Galadriel gave Haldir Elrond's message. __________________ ...take counsel with thyself, and remember who and what thou art.