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the guy who be short · 01-30-2003, 03:48 PM

in fotr when gandalf is facing the balrog what does he say? something like i wield the secret flame of arda, wasnt it? but arda is earth, how can earth have a secret flame? or is he simply saying that he is a maia? and does he say something about an ulundo, that is quenya for monster? plz tell me as i need to know. well, actually im just really intrested

The Flame Of Anor · 01-30-2003, 03:52 PM

The book quote is in my sig, its the same as the movie plus "you cannot pass". He saying (i think) that he it a maia, he weilds the power of the sun (possibly simply meaning hes a goodguy) and that the dark fire (just evil fire) will not help the barlog (or flame of Udun, the place the barlog is from). I think. Seeing as it is my name i should know, but am not sure.

the guy who be short · 01-30-2003, 04:05 PM

thnx i know anor is the sun where is udun? isnt it near the black gate of mordor?

Ithaeliel · 01-30-2003, 04:16 PM

"I am a servant of the secret fire, wielder of the Flame of Anor. Go back to the shadow. The dark fire will not avail you, Flame of Udûn! You shall not pass!"For one, Gandalf wears Narya, the great red ring given to him by Cirdan. That may be what he means by the "Flame of Anor" and less likely the secret fire. "Flame of Udun" is of course the balrog itself. <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>where is udun? isnt it near the black gate of mordor? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>*Ahem*... Udûn is that lovely place we mortals call Hell... I believe it was another name for Angband, the stronghold of Morgoth during the First Age. That is where the Balrogs were bred.

Lalaith · 01-30-2003, 05:25 PM

You know, I'd never thought of flame of Anor in relation to Narya. How clever.

The Flame Of Anor · 01-30-2003, 05:37 PM

Its probably not related to Nayna. First, why would Gandalf reveal this to his enemy?(EDIT oops read the previous wrong, ill leave this hear anyway) Second, "The secret fire" is spoken of as the flame of the world, or the earth. Gandalf is saying with that part that he is a servent of the world or Lluvier (spelling?)[ January 30, 2003: Message edited by: The Flame Of Anor ]

**The Saucepan Man** · 01-30-2003, 08:59 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> I am a servant of the Secret Fire, wielder of the Flame of Anor <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I have always thought that this was a reference to Narya. Gandalf did not wear Narya openly, hence the reference to it being the "Secret Fire".And why not tell the Balrog? After all, he was about to kill him.

Iargwath · 01-31-2003, 12:36 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>hence the reference to it being the "Secret Fire". <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Clever. I have understood everything else, but this is clever indeed Dont tease if its too straight forward

01-30-2003, 03:48 PM	#1
the guy who be short Shadowed Prince Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Thulcandra Posts: 2,343	wot did gandalf say?? in fotr when gandalf is facing the balrog what does he say? something like i wield the secret flame of arda, wasnt it? but arda is earth, how can earth have a secret flame? or is he simply saying that he is a maia?<BR>and does he say something about an ulundo, that is quenya for monster? plz tell me as i need to know. well, actually im just really intrested

01-30-2003, 03:52 PM	#2
The Flame Of Anor Animated Skeleton Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: There is one who knows... Posts: 28	The book quote is in my sig, its the same as the movie plus "you cannot pass". <BR>He saying (i think) that he it a maia, he weilds the power of the sun (possibly simply meaning hes a goodguy) and that the dark fire (just evil fire) will not help the barlog (or flame of Udun, the place the barlog is from).<BR>I think. Seeing as it is my name i should know, but am not sure. __________________ -"I am a servant of the Secret Fire, wielder of the Flame of Anor. You cannot pass. The dark fire will not avail you, flame of Udun. Go back to the Shadow. You cannot pass!"

01-30-2003, 04:05 PM	#3
the guy who be short Shadowed Prince Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Thulcandra Posts: 2,343	thnx<BR>i know anor is the sun<BR>where is udun? isnt it near the black gate of mordor?

01-30-2003, 04:16 PM	#4
Ithaeliel Cornus Caliga Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Five-hundred-twenty-five thousand, six hundred minutes from here Posts: 710	"I am a servant of the secret fire, wielder of the Flame of Anor. Go back to the shadow. The dark fire will not avail you, Flame of Udûn! You shall not pass!"<P>For one, Gandalf wears Narya, the great red ring given to him by Cirdan. That may be what he means by the "Flame of Anor" and less likely the secret fire. "Flame of Udun" is of course the balrog itself.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>where is udun? isnt it near the black gate of mordor? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Ahem... Udûn is that lovely place we mortals call Hell... I believe it was another name for Angband, the stronghold of Morgoth during the First Age. That is where the Balrogs were bred. __________________ That best portion of a good man's life, His little, nameless, unremembered acts of kindness and of love. .................William Wordsworth

01-30-2003, 05:25 PM	#5
Lalaith Blithe Spirit Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,779	You know, I'd never thought of flame of Anor in relation to Narya. How clever. __________________ Out went the candle, and we were left darkling

01-30-2003, 05:37 PM	#6
The Flame Of Anor Animated Skeleton Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: There is one who knows... Posts: 28	Its probably not related to Nayna. First, why would Gandalf reveal this to his enemy?<P>(EDIT oops read the previous wrong, ill leave this hear anyway)<BR>Second, "The secret fire" is spoken of as the flame of the world, or the earth. Gandalf is saying with that part that he is a servent of the world or Lluvier (spelling?)<p>[ January 30, 2003: Message edited by: The Flame Of Anor ] __________________ -"I am a servant of the Secret Fire, wielder of the Flame of Anor. You cannot pass. The dark fire will not avail you, flame of Udun. Go back to the Shadow. You cannot pass!"

01-30-2003, 08:59 PM	#7
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> I am a servant of the Secret Fire, wielder of the Flame of Anor <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I have always thought that this was a reference to Narya. Gandalf did not wear Narya openly, hence the reference to it being the "Secret Fire".<P>And why not tell the Balrog? After all, he was about to kill him. __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!

01-31-2003, 12:36 AM	#8
Iargwath Wight Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 236	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>hence the reference to it being the "Secret Fire".<BR><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Clever. I have understood everything else, but this is clever indeed Dont tease if its too straight forward __________________ 'I waited patiently for the Lord; and He inclined to me, and heard my cry'-Psalm 40 My M-e Forum