How should the dunedain be portrayed? - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

WarBringer · 01-14-2003, 07:46 PM

How should the dunedain be portrayed? how would you portray them?

HCIsland · 01-14-2003, 07:55 PM

From what I understand, they're going to be portrayed as absent.How would I portray them? Like they were in the book. Tall, strong, fearsome, fearless and loyal. But it ain't me doing it.H.C.

01-14-2003, 08:00 PM

Are you serious? They aren't going to be in there? Who's Aragorn going to go in the Dead Paths with? An elfish army? Wait. Are the Paths going to be in it?

Susan Delgado · 01-15-2003, 02:52 AM

Doubtful. It would take a heck of a lot of screen time.[ January 15, 2003: Message edited by: Susan Delgado ]

eleanor_niphredil · 01-15-2003, 11:58 AM

I cant see the paths of the dead translating into film very well. and can you really see a good reaction from the gereral public at these warriors just turning up at the conveniant moment.i would portray them just like Aragorn. He was exactly how he was meant by Tolkien.

engwaalphiel · 01-15-2003, 12:02 PM

well well no Dunedain ......... there should be , and the paths of the dead could have just been filmed over quickly with an aeriel shot and have aragorn etc and the dundedain arriving on the ships .that would be powerful , PJ could still make it seem like they weren't coming like in the book and then have them turn up! ramble over lol but if leaving out the paths leaves way for the scouring of the shire im all for it

HCIsland · 01-15-2003, 12:21 PM

You are not getting the scoring of The Shire. It isn't a question of length here but one of pacing. Over a 1000 plus page book, Tolkien has the luxery of widing down to the ending and having some fun, a movie can't do that.After the story climaxes in an action sequence (I'll try not to spoil for those that don't want to know), we need to begin to build towards the emotional climax at Grey Havens (at least I sure hope it is there). If the hobbits enter The Shire and suddenly there's all this bit about crooked Sheriffs and Sharky and ruffians, the typical theatre goer would be asking, what the hell is going on? Who are these new characters? I thought the movie was ending? They would be checking their watches and noticing that it's been almost three hours since they've sat down and they have to pee and now the hobbits are building a posse and the whole illusion of being swept into a different world will be lost.This isn't about movie goers being dumb. It's just how films are structured, which is very different then a novel. You've got to keep the audience from realizing how long they've been sitting in that seat, which is something PJ does brilliantly.H.C.

engwaalphiel · 01-15-2003, 02:33 PM

sharkey's end though ....... ah so when do you think they're killing ol'saruman off then ? and there better be the "well im back" ending....... i get your point. I think im too picky

aragornreborn · 01-15-2003, 05:00 PM

Well, the Dunedain should be in the movie. And, I think that they'd look a lot like Aragorn. You know, dirty, scruffy, silent, rugged, powerful, and all that jazz.

01-15-2003, 07:55 PM

If they show the Treebeard letting Saruman and Wormtail segment go, then that is probaly when they will have Sharkey die. Or PJ might get a grand idea and have Treebeard stomp out Sharkey.

Carrûn · 01-15-2003, 08:44 PM

Tall, grim, silent. Like a people who always live on the run. Rustic but possesing a sense of nobility, like Aragorn.

01-14-2003, 07:46 PM	#1
WarBringer Wight Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Wandering The North Posts: 184	How should the dunedain be portrayed? How should the dunedain be portrayed? how would you portray them? __________________ Fortune Favors the Bold...

01-14-2003, 07:55 PM	#2
HCIsland Zombie Cannibal Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,000	From what I understand, they're going to be portrayed as absent.<P>How would I portray them? Like they were in the book. Tall, strong, fearsome, fearless and loyal. But it ain't me doing it.<P>H.C. __________________ "Stir not the bitterness in the cup that I mixed myself. Have I not tasted it now many nights upon my tongue, foreboding that worse yet lay in the dregs." -Denethor

01-15-2003, 02:52 AM	#4
Susan Delgado The Perished Flame Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: behind my eyes Posts: 1,096	Doubtful. It would take a heck of a lot of screen time.<p>[ January 15, 2003: Message edited by: Susan Delgado ] __________________ "Man as a whole, Man pitted against the universe, have we seen him at all 'til we see that he is like a hero in a fairy tale?"

01-15-2003, 11:58 AM	#5
eleanor_niphredil Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: england Posts: 805	I cant see the paths of the dead translating into film very well. and can you really see a good reaction from the gereral public at these warriors just turning up at the conveniant moment.<P>i would portray them just like Aragorn. He was exactly how he was meant by Tolkien. __________________ Here I am, brain the size of a planet, and they ask me to spend my time on this forum. And by the way, for any of you turning into a penguin, stop it. ~* I am Pippin took in the Female Fellowship*~

01-15-2003, 12:02 PM	#6
engwaalphiel Haunting Spirit Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The edge of nowhere Posts: 89	well well no Dunedain ......... there should be , and the paths of the dead could have just been filmed over quickly with an aeriel shot and have aragorn etc and the dundedain arriving on the ships .that would be powerful , PJ could still make it seem like they weren't coming like in the book and then have them turn up!<BR>ramble over lol but if leaving out the paths leaves way for the scouring of the shire im all for it __________________ Estel............. Some have it more than others. "Utúlie'n aurë! Aiya Eldalië ar Atanatári, utúlie'n aurë!

01-14-2003, 08:00 PM	#3
Edge Guest Posts: n/a	Are you serious? They aren't going to be in there? Who's Aragorn going to go in the Dead Paths with? An elfish army? Wait. Are the Paths going to be in it?

01-15-2003, 12:21 PM	#7
HCIsland Zombie Cannibal Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,000	You are not getting the scoring of The Shire. <P>It isn't a question of length here but one of pacing. Over a 1000 plus page book, Tolkien has the luxery of widing down to the ending and having some fun, a movie can't do that.<P>After the story climaxes in an action sequence (I'll try not to spoil for those that don't want to know), we need to begin to build towards the emotional climax at Grey Havens (at least I sure hope it is there). If the hobbits enter The Shire and suddenly there's all this bit about crooked Sheriffs and Sharky and ruffians, the typical theatre goer would be asking, what the hell is going on? Who are these new characters? I thought the movie was ending? They would be checking their watches and noticing that it's been almost three hours since they've sat down and they have to pee and now the hobbits are building a posse and the whole illusion of being swept into a different world will be lost.<P>This isn't about movie goers being dumb. It's just how films are structured, which is very different then a novel. You've got to keep the audience from realizing how long they've been sitting in that seat, which is something PJ does brilliantly.<P>H.C. __________________ "Stir not the bitterness in the cup that I mixed myself. Have I not tasted it now many nights upon my tongue, foreboding that worse yet lay in the dregs." -Denethor

01-15-2003, 02:33 PM	#8
engwaalphiel Haunting Spirit Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The edge of nowhere Posts: 89	sharkey's end though ....... ah so when do you think they're killing ol'saruman off then ? and there better be the "well im back" ending....... i get your point. <BR>I think im too picky __________________ Estel............. Some have it more than others. "Utúlie'n aurë! Aiya Eldalië ar Atanatári, utúlie'n aurë!

01-15-2003, 05:00 PM	#9
aragornreborn Wight Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: U.S.A. Posts: 182	Well, the Dunedain should be in the movie. And, I think that they'd look a lot like Aragorn. You know, dirty, scruffy, silent, rugged, powerful, and all that jazz. __________________ At the name of Jesus every knee should bow and every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord. - Phil. 2:10-11

01-15-2003, 07:55 PM	#10
Edge Guest Posts: n/a	If they show the Treebeard letting Saruman and Wormtail segment go, then that is probaly when they will have Sharkey die. Or PJ might get a grand idea and have Treebeard stomp out Sharkey.

01-15-2003, 08:44 PM	#11
Carrûn Wight Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Behind you, counting to 3 Posts: 234	Tall, grim, silent. Like a people who always live on the run. Rustic but possesing a sense of nobility, like Aragorn. __________________ "Dic, hospes, Spartae, nos te hic vidisse iacentes dum sanctis patriae legibus obsequimur."