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Earendil evening star · 12-27-2002, 11:55 AM

Ok does any one else find a problem with this lineFrodo: "...and two men, Aragorn son of Arathorn and Boromir of Gondor"problem??? definately!! Faramir didn't even blink when Frodo mentioned a man that could change his heritage, the future of his country, rob him of his rulership and that he never even knew existed!!!! why????? I can't understand why PJ made Frodo tell Faramir about Aragorn, i mean he makes a big point of not doing it in the book and Gandalf also tells Pippin not to tell Faramir's father. Does anyone else agree that this is a bit of a problem??from elise xxxps The movie was absolutely stunning wasn't it!!!! I swear i don';t think i blinked for 3 hours!!!!

the mortal elf · 12-27-2002, 12:00 PM

Yet another mistake, but maybe it was intentional. The non-readers wouldn't have understood why the name had to be kept a secret so if he had said, "two men, Boromir of Gondor and...a friend of Gandalf's" or something like that, they would've gotten all upset. It would be confusing and it's too small to explain to a bunch of people who don't really care anyway. We know, so we can just laugh behind our hands at the non-readers' strange behaviors...

Iarwain · 12-27-2002, 12:57 PM

It doesn't seem to matter too much, though Denethor would realize Aragorn's background, I don't believe Faramir is a learned or (obviously) as old and wise as his father, and of course, he doesn't carry a Palantir around with him. A name is a name, and without a person attatched to it, I don't think that "Aragorn" would be all that important to Faramir.

doug*platypus · 12-28-2002, 07:51 AM

SO TRUE!!In the first movie PJ takes licence and makes Aragorn's heritage widely known, from Mirkwood to Minas Tirith. Boromir only needs a mention of his name, and knows exactly what is going on. You'd assume that Faramir should know the same. It's possible that he was able to keep his surprise in check better than Boromir, or that we will see his reaction in the extended version (PJ's "whoops the fans hate me" version), but I think it's most likely that you've uncovered a real oversight. I am continually amazed at how the movies can over-complicate the plot, and over-simplify the characters and the themes. It's like Peter Jackson is some weird kind of alchemist, who has come up with a way to make crap out of gold.

Purple Elf · 12-28-2002, 11:01 AM

i agree and hell Farimir shouldnt have taken them 2 gondor what was that about anyway

The Silver-shod Muse · 12-29-2002, 12:51 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> It's like Peter Jackson is some weird kind of alchemist, who has come up with a way to make crap out of gold. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>A weird alchemist indeed. [ December 29, 2002: Message edited by: The Silver-shod Muse ]

GreyIstar · 12-30-2002, 09:14 AM

I could have swore Faramir in the book didn't know Aragorn was the heir to the throne.

Earendil evening star · 12-31-2002, 01:54 PM

What! Personally I think Pj is a genious, i wouldn't really have the movies any other way!!! AAaah! i can't believe you said that!! Ok there are some mistakes but really it is fantastic!Crap out of gold!!! i'm shocked.You have got to be kidding me!!!!

12-27-2002, 11:55 AM	#1
Earendil evening star Animated Skeleton Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Scotland Posts: 26	BIG problem in TTT!!! Ok does any one else find a problem with this line<P>Frodo: "...and two men, Aragorn son of Arathorn and Boromir of Gondor"<P>problem???<BR>definately!!<BR>Faramir didn't even blink when Frodo mentioned a man that could change his heritage, the future of his country, rob him of his rulership and that he never even knew existed!!!!<BR>why?????<BR>I can't understand why PJ made Frodo tell Faramir about Aragorn, i mean he makes a big point of not doing it in the book and Gandalf also tells Pippin not to tell Faramir's father. <BR>Does anyone else agree that this is a bit of a problem??<P>from elise xxx<P>ps The movie was absolutely stunning wasn't it!!!! I swear i don';t think i blinked for 3 hours!!!! __________________ "Earendil,the Evening Star,and most beloved of the elves,shone clear above" Chapter vII

12-27-2002, 12:00 PM	#2
the mortal elf Wight Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away... Posts: 201	Yet another mistake, but maybe it was intentional. The non-readers wouldn't have understood why the name had to be kept a secret so if he had said, "two men, Boromir of Gondor and...a friend of Gandalf's" or something like that, they would've gotten all upset. It would be confusing and it's too small to explain to a bunch of people who don't really care anyway. We know, so we can just laugh behind our hands at the non-readers' strange behaviors... __________________ My imaginary friend says you have problems.

12-27-2002, 12:57 PM	#3
Iarwain Pugnaciously Primordial Paradox Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Birnham Wood Posts: 800	It doesn't seem to matter too much, though Denethor would realize Aragorn's background, I don't believe Faramir is a learned or (obviously) as old and wise as his father, and of course, he doesn't carry a Palantir around with him. A name is a name, and without a person attatched to it, I don't think that "Aragorn" would be all that important to Faramir. __________________ "And what are oaths but words we say to God?"

12-28-2002, 07:51 AM	#4
doug*platypus Delver in the Deep Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Aotearoa Posts: 960	<B>SO TRUE!!</B><P>In the first movie PJ takes licence and makes Aragorn's heritage widely known, from Mirkwood to Minas Tirith. Boromir only needs a mention of his name, and knows exactly what is going on. You'd assume that Faramir should know the same. It's possible that he was able to keep his surprise in check better than Boromir, or that we will see his reaction in the extended version (PJ's "whoops the fans hate me" version), but I think it's most likely that you've uncovered a real oversight. I am continually amazed at how the movies can over-complicate the plot, and over-simplify the characters and the themes. It's like Peter Jackson is some weird kind of alchemist, who has come up with a way to make crap out of gold. __________________ But Gwindor answered: 'The doom lies in yourself, not in your name'.

12-28-2002, 11:01 AM	#5
Purple Elf Animated Skeleton Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: A tree somewhere anywhere! Posts: 34	i agree and hell Farimir shouldnt have taken them 2 gondor what was that about anyway __________________ "Because i belived you to be indeed Luthien Tinuvel, of whom i was singing. but if you are not she, then you walk in her likeness." - Aragorn

12-29-2002, 12:51 PM	#6
The Silver-shod Muse Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: The shoulder of a poet, TX Posts: 388	<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> It's like Peter Jackson is some weird kind of alchemist, who has come up with a way to make crap out of gold.<BR> <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>A weird alchemist indeed. <p>[ December 29, 2002: Message edited by: The Silver-shod Muse ] __________________ "'You," he said, "tell her all. What good came to you? Do you rejoice that Maleldil became a man? Tell her of your joys, and of what profit you had when you made Maleldil and death acquainted.'" -Perelandra, by C.S. Lewis

12-30-2002, 09:14 AM	#7
GreyIstar Wight Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Dallas Posts: 116	I could have swore Faramir in the book didn't know Aragorn was the heir to the throne. __________________ Keeper of the site Ring Lord. "Dangerous!" cried Gandalf. "And so am I, very dangerous: more dangerous than anything you will ever meet, unless you are brought alive before the seat of the Dark Lord."

12-31-2002, 01:54 PM	#8
Earendil evening star Animated Skeleton Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Scotland Posts: 26	What! Personally I think Pj is a genious, i wouldn't really have the movies any other way!!!<BR>AAaah! i can't believe you said that!!<BR>Ok there are some mistakes but really it is fantastic!<P>Crap out of gold!!! i'm shocked.You have got to be kidding me!!!! __________________ "Earendil,the Evening Star,and most beloved of the elves,shone clear above" Chapter vII