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Are Dragons in LoTR like worms or snakes, or like what dragons are in most of the games or pictures?

Can anybody show me a good picture about what dragons are like?

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Re: Dragons - Like worms?

Here are some pictures of smaug ( http://www.barrowdowns.com/Searchgallery.asp?Data=smaugwww.barrowdowns.com/Searc...Data=smaug</a> ) and Glaurung ( http://www.barrowdowns.com/Searchgal...?Data=glaurungwww.barrowdowns.com/Searc...a=glaurung</a> ).

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Earendilyon · 09-22-2001, 05:01 AM

In Tolkien's books there are many different kinds of dragons: flying ones, crawling ones, dragons which can spout fire, ones which can't, big ones, and smaller ones. Some are more like the Wurm idea, some more like the typical (Western, not Chinese) dragon.

[ September 22, 2001: Message edited by: Earendilyon ]

Eldar14 · 09-22-2001, 12:57 PM

One of the pictures drawn by Tolkien of Smaug is on the Barrow-Downs. It will at least show what ONE of the dragons looked like. It's right here

09-22-2001, 08:53 PM

i've always imagined dragons being more like reptilian lizards rather than worms or snakes...it makes them seem more formidable and majestic. but mebbe that's just me. [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

Eldar14 · 09-24-2001, 01:09 PM

I personally view ME dragons as basically the western dragon, but a bit more sleek and jagged (how is something both sleek and jagged??) [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Halbarad · 09-24-2001, 06:18 PM

If you take a look at the Hobbit link on the main page and look at the synopsis it has a pic of Smaug the fire drake by Tolkien (that's what it says). It looks as if everyone took their cue from the man himself

Elendur · 09-25-2001, 12:59 AM

No painter yet has come close to the detail that I would like to see Smaug in. Interestingly enough I imagined Smaug just as Tolkien drew him, in basic concept, but as I said before much more detailed. Why dont some of those D&D artists get over here?

Halbarad · 09-25-2001, 04:55 PM

I agree. They should get over here. Nice long quote there Elendur- I haven't read that text before. That painting by the man was too blurry- a computer rendition of the same painting would be quite good methinks

Orald · 10-01-2001, 09:27 PM

"The Hobbit" the movie has forever ingrained in my head an image of Smaug. I never really thought of Tolkiens dragons as western though, they seem much more elongated, but other than that I guess the western style seems to fit

Halbarad · 10-02-2001, 02:15 AM

There was a Hobbit movie!? Why do I not know that? They showed Smaug in all his majesty?
I don't believe you [img]smilies/eek.gif[/img]

Orald · 10-03-2001, 01:56 PM

Yes, there is a "Hobbit" movie. It is a cartoon however and it is from the seventies, but i liked it, and i believe BW did as well. If you can't find it at a video rental store, then you might want to check out your local library, mine has it.

Aldaron · 10-03-2001, 06:08 PM

In medieval England and even later dragons were known as 'wyrms.' There's a wonderful tale of a wyrm besieging a castle in Durham.

Eldar14 · 10-04-2001, 05:18 PM

On the issue of the movie, I did not like it. Whoever made it did not do much research. They even got the regular runes and the moon runes on the map switched (they called the regular runes the moon runes and vica versa) (the fact that I noticed that is strange, dontcha think?) Also, has anyone noticed the strange fact that the elves in the Hobbit movie are goblin-like green things?

Orald · 10-04-2001, 08:18 PM

Well I saw the movie years before I read anything by Tolkien. I think I might have been in school, maybay not quite. And I don't know if I have seen it since reading Tolkien, so many things that I would probably noticed passed by without a thought, although the elves where ugly kinda like anime elves if I remember correctly, but I though Gollum was really good.

12-29-2001, 06:40 PM

ok, like everyone else has been saying, there are many types of dragons in middle earth created by tolkien.

the types are countless. Glaurung, the father of all dragons, winged or not, was wingless, yet still held great power. Smaug, a winged fire dragon, also held great power.

Its like comparing humans, we are not all alike, and some of us look totally different.

red · 12-29-2001, 07:06 PM

Only some?

-réd

obloquy · 12-29-2001, 07:29 PM

Yeah, I've seen a few people who don't look anything like each other.

12-29-2001, 10:48 PM

I meant the vast majority [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Fenrir · 12-30-2001, 03:28 AM

There's a painting of Smaug that shows him attacking the Laketown, I saw it first in the Tolkien Bestiary and rather liked it.

Thingol · 01-06-2002, 10:16 PM

Tolkien also envissioned mechanical dragons that were used to attack Gondolin, but it wasn't put in the Silm. There is some great discussion about mechanical dragons and dragons in general in the new Silm project.

09-21-2001, 02:54 AM	#1
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09-21-2001, 08:57 AM	#2
*The Barrow-Wight* Night In Wight Satin Join Date: May 2000 Posts: 4,043	<font face="Verdana"><table><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Wraith of Angmar Posts: 2609</TD><TD><img src=http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/my_pic.jpg WIDTH=60 HEIGHT=60></TD></TR></TABLE> Re: Dragons - Like worms? Here are some pictures of smaug ( http://www.barrowdowns.com/Searchgallery.asp?Data=smaugwww.barrowdowns.com/Searc...Data=smaug</a> ) and Glaurung ( http://www.barrowdowns.com/Searchgal...?Data=glaurungwww.barrowdowns.com/Searc...a=glaurung</a> ). The Barrow-Wight (RKittle) <font size="2">I usually haunt http://www.barrowdowns.comThe Barrow-Downs</a> and The Barrow-Downs http://www.barrowdowns.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgiMiddle-Earth Discussion Board</a>.</p>Edited by: <A HREF=http://www.barrowdowns.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_profile&u=00000002>RKittle</A>  <IMG HEIGHT=10 WIDTH=10 SRC="http://www.barrowdowns.com/images/oneringicon.gif" BORDER=0> at: 9/21/01 11:00:12 am __________________ The Barrow-Wight

09-22-2001, 05:01 AM	#3
Earendilyon Wight Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 166	In Tolkien's books there are many different kinds of dragons: flying ones, crawling ones, dragons which can spout fire, ones which can't, big ones, and smaller ones. Some are more like the Wurm idea, some more like the typical (Western, not Chinese) dragon. [ September 22, 2001: Message edited by: Earendilyon ] __________________ "For I am a Bear of Very Little Brain, and long words Bother me." Dominus Anulorum TolkienGateway - large Tolkien encyclopedia.

09-22-2001, 12:57 PM	#4
Eldar14 Wight Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: the Cottage of Lost Play Posts: 182	One of the pictures drawn by Tolkien of Smaug is on the Barrow-Downs. It will at least show what ONE of the dragons looked like. It's right here __________________ "Come away! Let the cowards keep this city!" -- Fëanor to the Noldor

09-24-2001, 01:09 PM	#6
Eldar14 Wight Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: the Cottage of Lost Play Posts: 182	I personally view ME dragons as basically the western dragon, but a bit more sleek and jagged (how is something both sleek and jagged??) [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] __________________ "Come away! Let the cowards keep this city!" -- Fëanor to the Noldor

09-22-2001, 08:53 PM	#5
Vorechoriel Guest Posts: n/a	i've always imagined dragons being more like reptilian lizards rather than worms or snakes...it makes them seem more formidable and majestic. but mebbe that's just me. [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

09-24-2001, 06:18 PM	#7
Halbarad Wight Join Date: May 2001 Location: Cheongju, Korea Posts: 147	If you take a look at the Hobbit link on the main page and look at the synopsis it has a pic of Smaug the fire drake by Tolkien (that's what it says). It looks as if everyone took their cue from the man himself __________________ -Halbarad to Aragorn, 'The Passing of the Grey Company' Book V, Return of the King."A little people, but of great worth are the Shire-folk. Little do they know of our long labour for the safekeeping of their borders, and yet I grudge it not"

09-25-2001, 12:59 AM	#8
Elendur Wight Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Arnor Posts: 200	No painter yet has come close to the detail that I would like to see Smaug in. Interestingly enough I imagined Smaug just as Tolkien drew him, in basic concept, but as I said before much more detailed. Why dont some of those D&D artists get over here? __________________ Son of Isildur.

09-25-2001, 04:55 PM	#9
Halbarad Wight Join Date: May 2001 Location: Cheongju, Korea Posts: 147	I agree. They should get over here. Nice long quote there Elendur- I haven't read that text before. That painting by the man was too blurry- a computer rendition of the same painting would be quite good methinks __________________ -Halbarad to Aragorn, 'The Passing of the Grey Company' Book V, Return of the King."A little people, but of great worth are the Shire-folk. Little do they know of our long labour for the safekeeping of their borders, and yet I grudge it not"

10-01-2001, 09:27 PM	#10
Orald Shadow of Malice Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: right behind you Posts: 843	"The Hobbit" the movie has forever ingrained in my head an image of Smaug. I never really thought of Tolkiens dragons as western though, they seem much more elongated, but other than that I guess the western style seems to fit

10-02-2001, 02:15 AM	#11
Halbarad Wight Join Date: May 2001 Location: Cheongju, Korea Posts: 147	There was a Hobbit movie!? Why do I not know that? They showed Smaug in all his majesty? I don't believe you [img]smilies/eek.gif[/img] __________________ -Halbarad to Aragorn, 'The Passing of the Grey Company' Book V, Return of the King."A little people, but of great worth are the Shire-folk. Little do they know of our long labour for the safekeeping of their borders, and yet I grudge it not"

10-03-2001, 01:56 PM	#12
Orald Shadow of Malice Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: right behind you Posts: 843	Yes, there is a "Hobbit" movie. It is a cartoon however and it is from the seventies, but i liked it, and i believe BW did as well. If you can't find it at a video rental store, then you might want to check out your local library, mine has it.

10-03-2001, 06:08 PM	#13
Aldaron Haunting Spirit Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 86	In medieval England and even later dragons were known as 'wyrms.' There's a wonderful tale of a wyrm besieging a castle in Durham.

10-04-2001, 05:18 PM	#14
Eldar14 Wight Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: the Cottage of Lost Play Posts: 182	On the issue of the movie, I did not like it. Whoever made it did not do much research. They even got the regular runes and the moon runes on the map switched (they called the regular runes the moon runes and vica versa) (the fact that I noticed that is strange, dontcha think?) Also, has anyone noticed the strange fact that the elves in the Hobbit movie are goblin-like green things? __________________ "Come away! Let the cowards keep this city!" -- Fëanor to the Noldor

10-04-2001, 08:18 PM	#15
Orald Shadow of Malice Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: right behind you Posts: 843	Well I saw the movie years before I read anything by Tolkien. I think I might have been in school, maybay not quite. And I don't know if I have seen it since reading Tolkien, so many things that I would probably noticed passed by without a thought, although the elves where ugly kinda like anime elves if I remember correctly, but I though Gollum was really good.

12-29-2001, 07:06 PM	#17
red Spirit of Mischief Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Land of the free and home of the brave Posts: 366	Only some? -réd __________________ "Cats are like greatness: Some people are born into cat-loving families, some achieve cats, and some have cats thrust upon them." -William H. A. Carr

12-29-2001, 06:40 PM	#16
sauron_96 Guest Posts: n/a	ok, like everyone else has been saying, there are many types of dragons in middle earth created by tolkien. the types are countless. Glaurung, the father of all dragons, winged or not, was wingless, yet still held great power. Smaug, a winged fire dragon, also held great power. Its like comparing humans, we are not all alike, and some of us look totally different.

12-29-2001, 07:29 PM	#18
obloquy Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: WA Posts: 939	Yeah, I've seen a few people who don't look anything like each other.

12-29-2001, 10:48 PM	#19
sauron_96 Guest Posts: n/a	I meant the vast majority [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

12-30-2001, 03:28 AM	#20
Fenrir Wight Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Nevrast Posts: 103	There's a painting of Smaug that shows him attacking the Laketown, I saw it first in the Tolkien Bestiary and rather liked it. __________________ Fearlessness is better than a faint-heart for any man who puts his nose out of doors. The length of my life and the day of my death were fated long ago.

01-06-2002, 10:16 PM	#21
Thingol Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Long Island, New York Posts: 259	Tolkien also envissioned mechanical dragons that were used to attack Gondolin, but it wasn't put in the Silm. There is some great discussion about mechanical dragons and dragons in general in the new Silm project. __________________ Yet the lies that Melkor, the mighty and accursed, Morgoth Bauglir, the Power of Terror and of Hate, sowed in the hearts of Elves and Men are a seed that does not die and cannot be destroyed; and ever and anon it sprouts anew, and will bear dark fruit even unto the latest days.