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Hathalas Ashen-Shield · 03-10-2003, 06:40 PM

The difference between an orc and a goblin? I was always thinking that they're the same thing, but im not sure at all! Somebody please help!

Rumil · 03-10-2003, 06:52 PM

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MLD-Grounds-Keeper-Willie · 03-10-2003, 06:53 PM

There have been many many many threads about this before. I myself have asked this very question. There is no difference. They are the same. Tolkien called them goblins in The Hobbit because it was supposed to be a children's book. Goblins were known before he created Middle-earth. THen, Tolkien had no intention of creating a whole world with an intricate history and fully developed characters. So, when he made The Lord of the Rongs, he used orcs. Orcs were invented by Tolkien, and to show this, he made their own name (orcs). Now, they were his own creation. Now do you understand? I might have been a little confusing. But, ths thread will be closed soon, I'm sure. And using the search function can help a lot.

Aerandir Carnesir · 03-11-2003, 10:54 PM

Willie, I agree with you for the most part, but I think goblins and orc were different. The goblins seem to be smaller(at least in the movies) than regular orcs. They were more cave dwellers. But they are very much the same. Saruman made the Uruk-Hai by cross-breeding Orcs and Goblin men. I'm not sure, but how can you get an entire breed of new orcs by using the same breeds to breed them? There's a difference, but I don't think that it's very big.

Elfhelm · 03-11-2003, 11:28 PM

In real life, there are different races of people, perhaps that is the case for orcs and goblins. They are the same "species", but of a different sub-race. Anyway, that's my speculation.

MLD-Grounds-Keeper-Willie · 03-11-2003, 11:41 PM

I based what I said based on the books. Just leave the movies out of it.

03-10-2003, 06:40 PM	#1
Hathalas Ashen-Shield Pile O'Bones Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Rivendell Posts: 23	Does anybody Know... The difference between an orc and a goblin? I was always thinking that they're the same thing, but im not sure at all! Somebody please help! __________________ ~And thou Melkor, wilt discover all the secret thoughts of thy mind~ Illuvatar

03-10-2003, 06:52 PM	#2
Rumil Sage & Onions Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Britain Posts: 894	Check out the FAQ on the Barrow Downs Website (PS> the answer is yes [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] ) __________________ Rumil of Coedhirion

03-10-2003, 06:53 PM	#3
MLD-Grounds-Keeper-Willie Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: San Francisco Posts: 573	There have been many many many threads about this before. I myself have asked this very question. There is no difference. They are the same. Tolkien called them goblins in The Hobbit because it was supposed to be a children's book. Goblins were known before he created Middle-earth. THen, Tolkien had no intention of creating a whole world with an intricate history and fully developed characters. So, when he made The Lord of the Rongs, he used orcs. Orcs were invented by Tolkien, and to show this, he made their own name (orcs). Now, they were his own creation. Now do you understand? I might have been a little confusing. But, ths thread will be closed soon, I'm sure. And using the search function can help a lot. __________________ Do Not Touch -Willie

03-11-2003, 10:54 PM	#4
Aerandir Carnesir Wight Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Finally out of the Paths of the Dead! Posts: 107	Willie, I agree with you for the most part, but I think goblins and orc were different. The goblins seem to be smaller(at least in the movies) than regular orcs. They were more cave dwellers. But they are very much the same. Saruman made the Uruk-Hai by cross-breeding Orcs and Goblin men. I'm not sure, but how can you get an entire breed of new orcs by using the same breeds to breed them? There's a difference, but I don't think that it's very big. __________________ "God is the Lord, of angels, and of men--and of elves" -J.R.R. Tolkien "Faithless is he that says farewell when the road darkens."-Gimli "Spiders are hideous."-Dietrich Bonhoeffer

03-11-2003, 11:28 PM	#5
Elfhelm Animated Skeleton Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Nowhere and Everywhere Posts: 46	In real life, there are different races of people, perhaps that is the case for orcs and goblins. They are the same "species", but of a different sub-race. Anyway, that's my speculation. __________________ I do not eat melons, for mellon means friend, and I do not eat my friends. Behold the grassy plains and rolling hills of Rohan!

03-11-2003, 11:41 PM	#6
MLD-Grounds-Keeper-Willie Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: San Francisco Posts: 573	I based what I said based on the books. Just leave the movies out of it. __________________ Do Not Touch -Willie