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Old 03-10-2003, 04:28 AM   #1
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Pipe Dwarven lands..?

I just wonder what the name of the dwarven lands are in middle-earth...?!
Since Moria were corrupted by Orcs and Goblins I dont know any country the dwarves live in...?! Can someone answer please??
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Old 03-10-2003, 06:13 AM   #2
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Well, there's the lonely mountain, Erebor. The Dwarves moved back to their halls under the mountain in 'the Hobbit', but whether that's a big enough place to be called a country, I dunno.

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Old 03-10-2003, 06:45 AM   #3
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In addition to Erebor, dwarves were living and working in the Blue Mountains, west of the Shire.
When the Kingdom Under The Mountain was re-establshed at Erebor, I don't think that the Iron Hills would be abbandoned completely, so there would still be dwarves there.
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Old 03-10-2003, 08:05 AM   #4
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After the War of the Ring, there were Dwarves living at the Glittering Caves in Rohan; Gimli was the lord of this realm. And there were multiple Dwarven outposts to the East, which do not come into Tolkien's stories.
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Old 03-10-2003, 08:44 AM   #5
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It is important to remember that there was no such thing as 'countrys' in middle-earth. it is more like the medival Europe - many city-states and small kingdoms, but all just in the shadows of the former Rome. Tolkien's world is almost post-apocalyptic (sp?) in a way, since most of the glory and splendor was forgotten and the reaming people was just struggling for existence. Therefore, both men, dwarves, elves and even hobbits were scattered around the lands, having no king or anything. Even the orcs was just tribes with their own rulers, just like the the elves. However, each of these city-states had their own customs and their own laws, so in a sence they were kingdoms consisting of only one state or city. The people of Middle-Earth felt united because of personal relationships, history and races, not some stupid borders drawn on a map ebacuse of taxes etc. Dwarves are dwarves, and they would understand eacother better than they understand elves, even though one live in the remains of Moria and the other in Fornost.
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Old 03-10-2003, 03:24 PM   #6
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Therefore, both men, dwarves, elves and even hobbits were scattered around the lands, having no king or anything.
Each of the Seven Houses of Dwarves (originally at least) had a king. This was still the case for Durin's Folk in the Third Age. That's what Thorin and Dain were.
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Old 03-10-2003, 04:52 PM   #7
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No nations? What about Rohan and Gondor? What about Mordor? [img]smilies/evil.gif[/img] That at least has multiple population centers.
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Old 03-10-2003, 05:14 PM   #8
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There were also The awakening places of the four other Dwarven houses, the Ironfists, Stiffbeards.

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The other two places were Eastward at distances as great or greater then the distance between the Blue Mountains and Gundabad
The migrating Dwarves of early LoTR may have been refugees from the Eastern mansions, as Tolkien stipulates that the far Eastern tribes may have turned evil, maybe the closer ones as well.
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