A reminder - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Baran · 06-08-2002, 09:58 AM

Many of the posts I stumble over here at the Downs is people wishing that Middle Earth were not just fiction and the imagination of our favuorite genius J.R.R Tolkien, they want it to be the real world, they want to live in Arda.

Nothing wrong with that, that's just healthy, but I've realized something!

We live in Arda! As Tolkien state in his works, this world is the same as his great myths are taking place in. We should not forget this. A clear night we look upon the same stars and the same moon as our heroes from the 3. age did.
We are breathing the same air, and the same water is flowing in the rivers (well, not the same rivers though...)

We men have indeed done as the wise foresaw, we have taken over the world, and many places you can't find traces of nature, we have sacrificed it to make ourselve as comfortable as possible.

But do not despair, we can still wander in Tolkiens old world! Some of us just have to walk out the door and they will have a forests or green moors around them, excactly like the ones in Middle Earth, others might have to travel a bit to find the world we long for. So the next time you wish you could sit with Frodo and Sam and eat boiled rabbit, then do it! Well, you might want to bring with you some food [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img], and Sam and Frodo have gone west, but you can always bring some friends. If you're lucky you might even spot an elf or a hobbit seduced by the happy song you are singing, sitting around your sparkling fire.

Remember the setting is (almost) the same, only the people(s) are different. You are never going to find Middle Earth, or even Arda sitting by your computer [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

Maikadilwen · 06-08-2002, 10:19 AM

Indeed, we do live in Arda. But in the wrong time. That is MY wish. That I could've lived in that time instead of this one. Too much destruction.

greyhavener · 06-08-2002, 10:42 AM

I think it's a matter of perspective. I believe there is what we can see and there is another realm that we cannot see but that is impacted by our choices here and now. When we are valiant we shoot holes in the darkness. When we resist evil we cast our own rings into the cracks of doom. I think like Sam we have only to discover the story we are in.

Starbreeze · 06-08-2002, 01:05 PM

Well pointed out, I never really thought about that.

But for me - well I seek ME for the escape it offers from the materialism, destruction and hatred that exists in our world today. Such escape can not be found in this world, or I believe, the next. Such places cannot truly exist where mankind is as it is now, and indeed ME did not acheive this status, but it was closer than ours, and the closest you will get, while mankind carries such hatred in their hearts for each other and for other races/animals.

I would continue but I don't want to bore you, and I've got to go. [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

burrahobbit · 06-08-2002, 02:52 PM

I know! ISN'T IT AMAZING?! And now that I think about it, we live in the same world as Superman too! Oh, wait, he isn't real either. Nevermind.

Calencoire · 07-15-2002, 03:37 PM

I too, desire to go to Middle Earth as an escape from the sorrows of this world. But the realization that Middle Earth exists in our hearts and minds is a comfort. But I will always seek for the way there.

obloquy · 07-15-2002, 03:44 PM

Sounds like a waste of time, eh?

Kaze · 07-15-2002, 04:59 PM

I don't think it sounds like a waste of time. Everyone needs their own world to escape to.

06-08-2002, 09:58 AM	#1
Baran Haunting Spirit Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Mordor/Lothlorien Posts: 71	A reminder Many of the posts I stumble over here at the Downs is people wishing that Middle Earth were not just fiction and the imagination of our favuorite genius J.R.R Tolkien, they want it to be the real world, they want to live in Arda. Nothing wrong with that, that's just healthy, but I've realized something! We live in Arda! As Tolkien state in his works, this world is the same as his great myths are taking place in. We should not forget this. A clear night we look upon the same stars and the same moon as our heroes from the 3. age did. We are breathing the same air, and the same water is flowing in the rivers (well, not the same rivers though...) We men have indeed done as the wise foresaw, we have taken over the world, and many places you can't find traces of nature, we have sacrificed it to make ourselve as comfortable as possible. But do not despair, we can still wander in Tolkiens old world! Some of us just have to walk out the door and they will have a forests or green moors around them, excactly like the ones in Middle Earth, others might have to travel a bit to find the world we long for. So the next time you wish you could sit with Frodo and Sam and eat boiled rabbit, then do it! Well, you might want to bring with you some food [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img], and Sam and Frodo have gone west, but you can always bring some friends. If you're lucky you might even spot an elf or a hobbit seduced by the happy song you are singing, sitting around your sparkling fire. Remember the setting is (almost) the same, only the people(s) are different. You are never going to find Middle Earth, or even Arda sitting by your computer [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

06-08-2002, 10:19 AM	#2
Maikadilwen Summoner of Lost Souls Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: At home, with my Strongbow Posts: 521	Indeed, we do live in Arda. But in the wrong time. That is MY wish. That I could've lived in that time instead of this one. Too much destruction. __________________ -"Death borders upon our birth, and our cradle stands in the grave. Our birth is nothing but our death begun."

06-08-2002, 10:42 AM	#3
greyhavener Wight Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: austin Posts: 169	I think it's a matter of perspective. I believe there is what we can see and there is another realm that we cannot see but that is impacted by our choices here and now. When we are valiant we shoot holes in the darkness. When we resist evil we cast our own rings into the cracks of doom. I think like Sam we have only to discover the story we are in. __________________ Do justly, love mercy, walk humbly with your God. Micah 6:8

06-08-2002, 01:05 PM	#4
Starbreeze Ghost of a Smile Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Mirkwood - Middle Earth Posts: 389	Well pointed out, I never really thought about that. But for me - well I seek ME for the escape it offers from the materialism, destruction and hatred that exists in our world today. Such escape can not be found in this world, or I believe, the next. Such places cannot truly exist where mankind is as it is now, and indeed ME did not acheive this status, but it was closer than ours, and the closest you will get, while mankind carries such hatred in their hearts for each other and for other races/animals. I would continue but I don't want to bore you, and I've got to go. [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] __________________ Do not tamper with the affairs of wizards, they are not all that subtle - Terry Pratchett To write is to make dreams, to make dreams is to awaken the fantasy of the mind, to awaken the mind is to be a master.

06-08-2002, 02:52 PM	#5
burrahobbit Hidden Spirit Join Date: May 2000 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 1,424	I know! ISN'T IT AMAZING?! And now that I think about it, we live in the same world as Superman too! Oh, wait, he isn't real either. Nevermind. __________________ What's a burrahobbit got to do with my pocket, anyways?

07-15-2002, 03:37 PM	#6
Calencoire Haunting Spirit Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rivendell Posts: 89	I too, desire to go to Middle Earth as an escape from the sorrows of this world. But the realization that Middle Earth exists in our hearts and minds is a comfort. But I will always seek for the way there. __________________ Where there is life, there is hope

07-15-2002, 03:44 PM	#7
obloquy Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: WA Posts: 941	Sounds like a waste of time, eh?

07-15-2002, 04:59 PM	#8
Kaze Haunting Spirit Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 54	I don't think it sounds like a waste of time. Everyone needs their own world to escape to. __________________ Disbelief in magic can force a poor soul into believing in government and business.