Gandalf's Lost Property - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

doug*platypus · 01-17-2003, 09:35 PM

I can't find any convincing evidence that Gandalf still had Glamdring after his return, and rescue by Gwaihir from Zirak-Zigil.

We know for certain that he had a staff, because he has it at Edoras. We also know that this is a new staff, since his old one was broken on the Bridge of Khazad-Dûm. We aren't told how he got it.

Also, I can't remember any mention of his pipe after his return, unless maybe it is mentioned in The Quest of Erebor, Unfinished Tales (which I don't think it is).

Is it possible that after his return, Gandalf is closer to his original status as a Maia, and no longer needs either his sword or his smoke?

Belin · 01-17-2003, 09:49 PM

He had Glamdring at Edoras.

Quote:

Here at least is my sword, goodman Háma. Keep it well. Glamdring it is called, for the Elves made it long ago.

I don't remember anything about the pipe.

--Belin Ibaimendi

doug*platypus · 01-18-2003, 06:46 AM

True!

Thanks for that - although it doesn't specifically mention Glamdring, I think it would be fanciful to assume it was another sword.

kind regards,
the platypus with the crimson face (should've thought of looking there!)

Neferchoirwen · 01-18-2003, 10:48 AM

Not sure about this, but could it be that Utumno would have given it back to him (or some other Valar for that matter)?

Either that, or Gwaihir picked it up as well.

Manwe Sulimo · 01-18-2003, 12:10 PM

Utumno the Vala? Did I miss someth--

Oh, probably....

I'd think that Gwaihir picked up everything of Gandalf's that hadn't been burned to a nice crisp and carried it with him to Lórien.

Iarwain · 01-18-2003, 06:50 PM

Who would Utumno be? I know its Morgoth's first stronghold, but I don't quite recall it being a person.

Deathwail · 01-18-2003, 07:25 PM

I am sure he meant Ulmo the water god.

Iarwain · 01-18-2003, 07:26 PM

Ahhh, I see. But why would Ulmo have given Gandalf Glamdring back? when would he have gotten the chance to get it in the fist place?

Deathwail · 01-18-2003, 07:36 PM

When Gandalf and the Balrog fell into the water maybe?No idea i was just trying to think what Valar had a name close to Utumno that Neferchoirwen might of meant. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

**The Saucepan Man** · 01-19-2003, 07:22 PM

Well, if you watch the film, Gandalf clearly defies gravity and grabs Glamdring as he hurtles down towards the falling (and ineffectually winged) Balrog ... oops ... [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]

01-17-2003, 09:35 PM	#1
doug*platypus Delver in the Deep Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Aotearoa Posts: 960	Gandalf's Lost Property I can't find any convincing evidence that Gandalf still had Glamdring after his return, and rescue by Gwaihir from Zirak-Zigil. We know for certain that he had a staff, because he has it at Edoras. We also know that this is a new staff, since his old one was broken on the Bridge of Khazad-Dûm. We aren't told how he got it. Also, I can't remember any mention of his pipe after his return, unless maybe it is mentioned in The Quest of Erebor, Unfinished Tales (which I don't think it is). Is it possible that after his return, Gandalf is closer to his original status as a Maia, and no longer needs either his sword or his smoke? __________________ But Gwindor answered: 'The doom lies in yourself, not in your name'.

01-18-2003, 06:46 AM	#3
doug*platypus Delver in the Deep Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Aotearoa Posts: 960	True! Thanks for that - although it doesn't specifically mention Glamdring, I think it would be fanciful to assume it was another sword. kind regards, the platypus with the crimson face (should've thought of looking there!) __________________ But Gwindor answered: 'The doom lies in yourself, not in your name'.

01-18-2003, 10:48 AM	#4
Neferchoirwen Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: RtR: 483.3 miles, Fords of Bruinen Posts: 512	Not sure about this, but could it be that Utumno would have given it back to him (or some other Valar for that matter)? Either that, or Gwaihir picked it up as well. __________________ On really romantic nights of self, I go salsa dancing with my confusion. ~Speed Levitch http://crevicesofsilence.blogspot.com/

01-18-2003, 12:10 PM	#5
Manwe Sulimo Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Taurelilómëa-tumbalemorna Tumbaletaurëa Lómëanor Posts: 553	Utumno the Vala? Did I miss someth-- Oh, probably.... I'd think that Gwaihir picked up everything of Gandalf's that hadn't been burned to a nice crisp and carried it with him to Lórien. __________________ "Monkeys learn sign language so they can tell the dolphins they love them."

01-18-2003, 06:50 PM	#6
Iarwain Pugnaciously Primordial Paradox Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Birnham Wood Posts: 800	Who would Utumno be? I know its Morgoth's first stronghold, but I don't quite recall it being a person. __________________ "And what are oaths but words we say to God?"

01-18-2003, 07:25 PM	#7
Deathwail Haunting Spirit Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Door of Night Posts: 99	I am sure he meant Ulmo the water god. __________________ He who arises in Might.

01-18-2003, 07:26 PM	#8
Iarwain Pugnaciously Primordial Paradox Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Birnham Wood Posts: 800	Ahhh, I see. But why would Ulmo have given Gandalf Glamdring back? when would he have gotten the chance to get it in the fist place? __________________ "And what are oaths but words we say to God?"

01-18-2003, 07:36 PM	#9
Deathwail Haunting Spirit Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Door of Night Posts: 99	When Gandalf and the Balrog fell into the water maybe?No idea i was just trying to think what Valar had a name close to Utumno that Neferchoirwen might of meant. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] __________________ He who arises in Might.

01-19-2003, 07:22 PM	#10
The Saucepan Man Corpus Cacophonous Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A green and pleasant land Posts: 8,390	Well, if you watch the film, Gandalf clearly defies gravity and grabs Glamdring as he hurtles down towards the falling (and ineffectually winged) Balrog ... oops ... [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] __________________ Do you mind? I'm busy doing the fishstick. It's a very delicate state of mind!