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Lush · 08-18-2002, 02:33 PM

Can I please have my bra back? La Perla is expensive enough without having to buy something twice. [img]smilies/evil.gif[/img]

Ok, ok, seriously though, great job in the Books, Esty, we are all very proud. Too bad for the people who just wish to express their "legolust," but there are plenty of websites out there tailored specifically to their needs.

*Varda* · 08-18-2002, 02:55 PM

In just a few days I'm already noticing a marked improvement on the Downs, particularly on the Books. I think the thought-provoking topics have just been buried under a pile of pointless and irrelevant questions. Big round of applause to Estelyn!

And my sig's reduced!

NazgulNumberTen · 08-18-2002, 03:25 PM

um, lush, how did your bra get "lost" in the forum? oh, yeah, no questions. i really didn't want to know anyways.
i too have noticed the improvement. and if your goal was making it impossable for me to post the the books, you have succeded.

Ithaeliel · 08-18-2002, 05:14 PM

I'm sure that wasn't their goal, but I'll just bet they had you in mind [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img].

*Looks impressed* I am liking this! The forums are getting better already! Let the Renaissance begin!

Child of the 7th Age · 08-19-2002, 07:34 AM

Gandolf the Grey --

Thanks for the vote of confidence. You are also involved in what looks like an unusual and very interesting RPG. If I ever get my life in order, I will ask you if I can join in on your next one! Hopefully, that will happen soon with the return of fall schdules.

We are hoping to do an edit on the "The Lonely Star" and eventually turn it into a fanfiction novel. It deals with the "secret" history of the hobbits before l050, Third Age, going all the way back to Beleriand. These are the things that Gandalf once alluded to, but never came out and explained. (i.e. he knew more than he said concerning the hobbits.)

The Star is our ship. It is able to time travel and has been chosen for the task (get that pregnant passive!) of going to aid the hobbits in various eras.

Our main problem is that the RPG is growing like crazy. My paper copy of the story now exceeds one and a half looseleaf binders! I fear we will end up with a trilogy! (Sound familiar?)

We are just finishing the First Age in the story line. The hobbits originally tagged along with Beor when the big folk crossed over into Beleriand searching for the light. Like the house of Beor, they became Elf-friends. They settled first in Ladros, and then went on to Gondolin for safety, as I am afraid Master Morgorth came out with a nasty memo to a field commander ordering them to be rounded up and imprisoned. (There was something in the Music that gave Morgoth the tip-off, but he fortunately concealed it from his field lieutenant Sauron.) The hobbits have been imprisoned in a work camp for over 70 years. They will be saved because the Orcs march them into the Dorthonion highlands, which will emerge from the floods as the island of Tol Fuin. Next, on to Numenor!!!

I'd say it's a cross between a time-travel story, a mystery, and even a bit of a soap-opera set in Middle-earth. My character is a somewhat more light hobbit take off from the wise woman Andreth in Morgoth's Ring. Like Andreth, she has a "tragic relationship," only with a Fallohide instead of an Elf!

Don't get me started on this as it is quite engrossing!

Yes, I think there has been some improvement in both the Books and Novices forums in recent days. And I will try to post more as my life gets back together. See you on the boards!

sharon, the 7th age hobbit

**lindil** · 08-19-2002, 08:55 AM

The admins and co. are def on the right track, hopefully the resulting tightening up of the Books will keep them from ever becoming 'softies' again!

Of course when i looked in the Mirror I had to wnder if much of the points of Mr. U. werer not aimed at me!

too long a sig - yep

abbreviations - def. and v. are among my fav's

splelingg - ype

url's in posts -I have snuck the elvish.org site in a couple of times to promote the Osanwe-Kenta, and Please forgive me but I can't say I won't do it again [ he says w/ head hanging down]

superficial posts - well at least I am not guilty of that one , unless you count my infamous polls poll [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img]

Anyway the changes are spot on and those who are annoyed can come back after they have read HoME a few more times!

-the other white barrow master

Marileangorifurnimaluim · 08-19-2002, 03:47 PM

Maril hands over designer bra with a sigh. Well, it wasn't my size anyways... *Thinks.. I know I said I wouldn't ask any questions, but that deflated soccer ball begs explanation.. will ask Squatter for any fascinating theories.*

Squatter, I have the ring at the appraiser, but I've been having some trouble getting it back...

No doubt I'll have it back soon.

The croquet set is either from the Barrow-Downs party or the Sports in Middle Earth thread. What it's doing in the Books in anyone's guess (like that bra).

Those RPGs sound interesting. Unfortunately, as much as I enjoy them, RPGs takes a level of committment that I don't feel I can in all integrity agree. I don't want to let people down.

-Maril

[ August 19, 2002: Message edited by: Marileangorifurnimaluim ]

Beren87 · 08-23-2002, 08:45 PM

Perhaps I am wrong, but I do not like these new policies of the Downs.

The Downs is a place where free thought and speech run rampid with Tolkien related ideas flourshing, from the ridiculously serious to the obserdidly silly. Yet, there has always been a balance between the two. There is nothing wrong with a fan asking as the opinion of the cutest member of the fellowship, for that is the interest of some. Yet this sort of thing is discouraged. The free thought that has procured itself seems to be a valve for us. We are all quite strange, why else would we proclaim ourselves dead? Yet, we are stuck in a society of sameness. The geek in the corner who reads all day cannot be appreciated for his intelligence, but only laughed at for being "not cool". This is a place that all can be appreciated for our thoughts no matter what the are.

And as to getting off topic, I find that it is generallly our premium members who are most guilty of this crime. For they are the ones most bored with the topic at hand. Is it wrong for us to want to learn a little bit more about our fellow tolkienites? I hope not.

Also, the ones that are generally make these not so professional comments are children, newcomers to the books who are not yet old or wise enough to ask a deep question.

A place that starts with everyone being able to be dead and say as they want, that evolves into one where speech, opinion, and free thought are taboo is one that is all to familiar.

[ August 23, 2002: Message edited by: Beren87 ]

***The Barrow-Wight*** · 08-23-2002, 09:02 PM

Yes, you are wrong. The Downs is not and never was (or will be) a "place where free thought and speech run rampid with Tolkien related ideas flourshing, from the ridiculously serious to the obserdidly silly". Yikes!

I'll not respond piecemeal to the rest of your post, but rather to everything as a whole: The Downs is not a social club, but instead a place to converse and learn. Chat room are for conversations. Forums are for discussion. Chats are spontaneous. Discussions require premeditation. The only thing taboo here is spontaneous outbursts of off-topic blather.

All we are asking for is just a little thought before you (anyone) hit the ENTER key. If that's too stifling, then maybe the Downs is not the barrow for you (again, this is addressed to anyone).

Marileangorifurnimaluim · 08-25-2002, 10:33 AM

I'm of the opinion that we didn't need to be moderated before because the old members out-numbered the new. Appropriate behavior (and discussion) was 'modelled' by the majority, who kept it at a pretty high level. It's only once the majority of the members were new that we had trouble with this excellent system.

The Squatter of Amon Rûdh · 08-25-2002, 01:17 PM

Please forgive my ignorance, but what do "rampid" and "obsurdidly" mean? I'm by no means clear about "flourshing" either. Perhaps this is an elaborate form of Nevbosh and the joke's on me.

***The Barrow-Wight*** · 08-25-2002, 02:10 PM

Now, now, Squatter. I included the quote to point out the error of its meaning. I'd have stuck in a few [sic]s if I'd have wanted to be pedantic (your word, but a favorite of mine) about the misspellings. Let's be nice and get back to thanking Underhill or stating oposing opinions. Thanks.

Beren87 · 08-25-2002, 05:12 PM

My aren't we all full of ourselves...

If you would prefer correctly spelled words then add a spellcheck, like EZBoard has.
I'm not sure how to on UBB though, I use PHP, I just assume you can.

You know, this site needs like a suggestion box, those things really help.

[ August 25, 2002: Message edited by: Beren87 ]

Elrian · 08-25-2002, 06:18 PM

There is a very simple way to explain why things are the way they are: We don't pay the bills for this site, therefore it is not a democracy. Simple enough??

Bravo!, Mr Underhill and welcome back!

Beren87 · 08-26-2002, 02:35 PM

None the less I am sure that the Barrowwight is aiming for the best site that he can have, that was the only reason for the suggestion box.

You also say that we should provide opposing opinions, but why when they are shot down without even considering their meaning?

[ August 26, 2002: Message edited by: Beren87 ]

Marileangorifurnimaluim · 08-26-2002, 04:20 PM

Hi Beren87, we're all welcome to make suggestions. If the suggestion box looks suspiciously like a garbage can, well, that's the BW's perogative. [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] You're lucky, most of my suggestions have been Ignored completely. lol

As far as spelling is concerned, I only bother to spell correctly when I want people to listen to and respect what I have to say. I use a dictionary wherever spell-crutch isn't available. It takes time, but keeps me from being teased.

[img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] Maril

[ August 26, 2002: Message edited by: Marileangorifurnimaluim ]

The Squatter of Amon Rûdh · 08-27-2002, 04:02 AM

Yes, that was rather cruel, wasn't it? Sorry, Beren; and thanks, BW for pulling me up on it.

Quote:

You also say that we should provide opposing opinions, but why when they are shot down without even considering their meaning?

Because they might not be shot down: an opinion that's expressed has at least a small chance of being acted upon. However, the fact of having stated one's ideas doesn't confer on them the right to be adopted. As I see it, to complain because one's ideas for this site appear to have been ignored is tantamount to complaining because the owner of a house in which one is a guest doesn't follow one's interior-design tips.
Speaking of the owner: my copyright on the word "pedantic" has yet to be approved, BW; so feel free to use it until it is.

Marileangorifurnimaluim · 08-27-2002, 11:03 AM

'Via POST:

Congratulations, Squatter of Amon Rudh (we trust we have spelled your name correctly)! Thank you for your application. After careful consideration, you have hereby been awarded copyrights to the word "pedantic" for the term of 15 years, effective August 15, 2002.'

The Barrow-Wight owes you 0.377777 cents. How does that translate to British pounds?

Maril [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

The Squatter of Amon Rûdh · 08-27-2002, 01:18 PM

0.2474 New Pence; £0.002474 Sterling or 0.003872 Euro precisely, according to this morning's exchange rates. I shall endeavour not to spend it all at once.

Singing: I'm in the money. I'm in the money. I've got a lot of what it takes to get along...

Beren87 · 08-30-2002, 04:01 PM

Thanks all, my whole-assed opinons NEED to be shot down anyway for the good of mankind. [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] But uhhh, I guess it was just my "rebel without a brain" persona coming through, restrictions make me queasy.
Now that I look, the rules are definetly better for the site.

[ August 30, 2002: Message edited by: Beren87 ]

[ August 30, 2002: Message edited by: Beren87 ]

08-18-2002, 02:33 PM	#41
Lush Fair and Cold Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: the big onion Posts: 1,770	Can I please have my bra back? La Perla is expensive enough without having to buy something twice. [img]smilies/evil.gif[/img] Ok, ok, seriously though, great job in the Books, Esty, we are all very proud. Too bad for the people who just wish to express their "legolust," but there are plenty of websites out there tailored specifically to their needs. __________________ ~The beginning is the word and the end is silence. And in between are all the stories. This is one of mine~

08-18-2002, 02:55 PM	#42
Varda Maiden of Tears Join Date: May 2002 Location: Valinor. Posts: 571	In just a few days I'm already noticing a marked improvement on the Downs, particularly on the Books. I think the thought-provoking topics have just been buried under a pile of pointless and irrelevant questions. Big round of applause to Estelyn! And my sig's reduced! __________________ 'It must often be so, Sam, when things are in danger: someone has to give them up, lose them, so that others may keep them' ~Frodo "Life is hard. After all, it kills you." - Katharine Hepburn

08-18-2002, 03:25 PM	#43
NazgulNumberTen Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Crawled in a dark corner Posts: 369	um, lush, how did your bra get "lost" in the forum? oh, yeah, no questions. i really didn't want to know anyways. i too have noticed the improvement. and if your goal was making it impossable for me to post the the books, you have succeded. __________________ "It's not stupid, it's advanced!" -Invader Zim

08-18-2002, 05:14 PM	#44
Ithaeliel Cornus Caliga Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Five-hundred-twenty-five thousand, six hundred minutes from here Posts: 710	I'm sure that wasn't their goal, but I'll just bet they had you in mind [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]. Looks impressed I am liking this! The forums are getting better already! Let the Renaissance begin! __________________ That best portion of a good man's life, His little, nameless, unremembered acts of kindness and of love. .................William Wordsworth

08-19-2002, 07:34 AM	#45
Child of the 7th Age Spirit of the Lonely Star Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 5,133	Gandolf the Grey -- Thanks for the vote of confidence. You are also involved in what looks like an unusual and very interesting RPG. If I ever get my life in order, I will ask you if I can join in on your next one! Hopefully, that will happen soon with the return of fall schdules. We are hoping to do an edit on the "The Lonely Star" and eventually turn it into a fanfiction novel. It deals with the "secret" history of the hobbits before l050, Third Age, going all the way back to Beleriand. These are the things that Gandalf once alluded to, but never came out and explained. (i.e. he knew more than he said concerning the hobbits.) The Star is our ship. It is able to time travel and has been chosen for the task (get that pregnant passive!) of going to aid the hobbits in various eras. Our main problem is that the RPG is growing like crazy. My paper copy of the story now exceeds one and a half looseleaf binders! I fear we will end up with a trilogy! (Sound familiar?) We are just finishing the First Age in the story line. The hobbits originally tagged along with Beor when the big folk crossed over into Beleriand searching for the light. Like the house of Beor, they became Elf-friends. They settled first in Ladros, and then went on to Gondolin for safety, as I am afraid Master Morgorth came out with a nasty memo to a field commander ordering them to be rounded up and imprisoned. (There was something in the Music that gave Morgoth the tip-off, but he fortunately concealed it from his field lieutenant Sauron.) The hobbits have been imprisoned in a work camp for over 70 years. They will be saved because the Orcs march them into the Dorthonion highlands, which will emerge from the floods as the island of Tol Fuin. Next, on to Numenor!!! I'd say it's a cross between a time-travel story, a mystery, and even a bit of a soap-opera set in Middle-earth. My character is a somewhat more light hobbit take off from the wise woman Andreth in Morgoth's Ring. Like Andreth, she has a "tragic relationship," only with a Fallohide instead of an Elf! Don't get me started on this as it is quite engrossing! Yes, I think there has been some improvement in both the Books and Novices forums in recent days. And I will try to post more as my life gets back together. See you on the boards! sharon, the 7th age hobbit __________________ Multitasking women are never too busy to vote.

08-19-2002, 08:55 AM	#46
lindil Seeker of the Straight Path Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: a hidden fastness in Big Valley nor cal Posts: 1,680	The admins and co. are def on the right track, hopefully the resulting tightening up of the Books will keep them from ever becoming 'softies' again! Of course when i looked in the Mirror I had to wnder if much of the points of Mr. U. werer not aimed at me! too long a sig - yep abbreviations - def. and v. are among my fav's splelingg - ype url's in posts -I have snuck the elvish.org site in a couple of times to promote the Osanwe-Kenta, and Please forgive me but I can't say I won't do it again [ he says w/ head hanging down] superficial posts - well at least I am not guilty of that one , unless you count my infamous polls poll [img]smilies/tongue.gif[/img] Anyway the changes are spot on and those who are annoyed can come back after they have read HoME a few more times! -the other white barrow master __________________ The dwindling Men of the West would often sit up late into the night exchanging lore & wisdom such as they still possessed that they should not fall back into the mean estate of those who never knew or indeed rebelled against the Light.

08-19-2002, 03:47 PM	#47
Marileangorifurnimaluim Eerie Forest Spectre Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Buried in scrolls of fanfiction Posts: 798	Maril hands over designer bra with a sigh. Well, it wasn't my size anyways... Thinks.. I know I said I wouldn't ask any questions, but that deflated soccer ball begs explanation.. will ask Squatter for any fascinating theories. Squatter, I have the ring at the appraiser, but I've been having some trouble getting it back... No doubt I'll have it back soon. The croquet set is either from the Barrow-Downs party or the Sports in Middle Earth thread. What it's doing in the Books in anyone's guess (like that bra). Those RPGs sound interesting. Unfortunately, as much as I enjoy them, RPGs takes a level of committment that I don't feel I can in all integrity agree. I don't want to let people down. -Maril [ August 19, 2002: Message edited by: Marileangorifurnimaluim ] __________________ Deserves death! I daresay he does... And some die that deserve life. Can you give it to them?

08-23-2002, 08:45 PM	#48
Beren87 Master of the Secret Fire Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Between fire and ice, death and life Posts: 2,241	Perhaps I am wrong, but I do not like these new policies of the Downs. The Downs is a place where free thought and speech run rampid with Tolkien related ideas flourshing, from the ridiculously serious to the obserdidly silly. Yet, there has always been a balance between the two. There is nothing wrong with a fan asking as the opinion of the cutest member of the fellowship, for that is the interest of some. Yet this sort of thing is discouraged. The free thought that has procured itself seems to be a valve for us. We are all quite strange, why else would we proclaim ourselves dead? Yet, we are stuck in a society of sameness. The geek in the corner who reads all day cannot be appreciated for his intelligence, but only laughed at for being "not cool". This is a place that all can be appreciated for our thoughts no matter what the are. And as to getting off topic, I find that it is generallly our premium members who are most guilty of this crime. For they are the ones most bored with the topic at hand. Is it wrong for us to want to learn a little bit more about our fellow tolkienites? I hope not. Also, the ones that are generally make these not so professional comments are children, newcomers to the books who are not yet old or wise enough to ask a deep question. A place that starts with everyone being able to be dead and say as they want, that evolves into one where speech, opinion, and free thought are taboo is one that is all to familiar. [ August 23, 2002: Message edited by: Beren87 ]

08-23-2002, 09:02 PM	#49
*The Barrow-Wight* Night In Wight Satin Join Date: May 2000 Posts: 4,043	Yes, you are wrong. The Downs is not and never was (or will be) a "place where free thought and speech run rampid with Tolkien related ideas flourshing, from the ridiculously serious to the obserdidly silly". Yikes! I'll not respond piecemeal to the rest of your post, but rather to everything as a whole: The Downs is not a social club, but instead a place to converse and learn. Chat room are for conversations. Forums are for discussion. Chats are spontaneous. Discussions require premeditation. The only thing taboo here is spontaneous outbursts of off-topic blather. All we are asking for is just a little thought before you (anyone) hit the ENTER key. If that's too stifling, then maybe the Downs is not the barrow for you (again, this is addressed to anyone). __________________ The Barrow-Wight

08-25-2002, 10:33 AM	#50
Marileangorifurnimaluim Eerie Forest Spectre Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Buried in scrolls of fanfiction Posts: 798	I'm of the opinion that we didn't need to be moderated before because the old members out-numbered the new. Appropriate behavior (and discussion) was 'modelled' by the majority, who kept it at a pretty high level. It's only once the majority of the members were new that we had trouble with this excellent system. __________________ Deserves death! I daresay he does... And some die that deserve life. Can you give it to them?

08-25-2002, 01:17 PM	#51
The Squatter of Amon Rûdh Spectre of Decay Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Bar-en-Danwedh Posts: 2,178	Please forgive my ignorance, but what do "rampid" and "obsurdidly" mean? I'm by no means clear about "flourshing" either. Perhaps this is an elaborate form of Nevbosh and the joke's on me. __________________ Man kenuva métim' andúne?

08-25-2002, 02:10 PM	#52
*The Barrow-Wight* Night In Wight Satin Join Date: May 2000 Posts: 4,043	Now, now, Squatter. I included the quote to point out the error of its meaning. I'd have stuck in a few [sic]s if I'd have wanted to be pedantic (your word, but a favorite of mine) about the misspellings. Let's be nice and get back to thanking Underhill or stating oposing opinions. Thanks. __________________ The Barrow-Wight

08-25-2002, 05:12 PM	#53
Beren87 Master of the Secret Fire Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Between fire and ice, death and life Posts: 2,241	My aren't we all full of ourselves... If you would prefer correctly spelled words then add a spellcheck, like EZBoard has. I'm not sure how to on UBB though, I use PHP, I just assume you can. You know, this site needs like a suggestion box, those things really help. [ August 25, 2002: Message edited by: Beren87 ]

08-25-2002, 06:18 PM	#54
Elrian Eldar Spirit of Truth Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Land of the FREE, Home of the BRAVE Posts: 794	There is a very simple way to explain why things are the way they are: We don't pay the bills for this site, therefore it is not a democracy. Simple enough?? Bravo!, Mr Underhill and welcome back! __________________ ~Call me a relic, call me what you will. Say I'm old fashioned , say I'm over the hill. That old whine ain't got no soul. I'll stick to Old Toby and a Hobbit hole.~

08-26-2002, 02:35 PM	#55
Beren87 Master of the Secret Fire Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Between fire and ice, death and life Posts: 2,241	None the less I am sure that the Barrowwight is aiming for the best site that he can have, that was the only reason for the suggestion box. You also say that we should provide opposing opinions, but why when they are shot down without even considering their meaning? [ August 26, 2002: Message edited by: Beren87 ]

08-26-2002, 04:20 PM	#56
Marileangorifurnimaluim Eerie Forest Spectre Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Buried in scrolls of fanfiction Posts: 798	Hi Beren87, we're all welcome to make suggestions. If the suggestion box looks suspiciously like a garbage can, well, that's the BW's perogative. [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] You're lucky, most of my suggestions have been Ignored completely. lol As far as spelling is concerned, I only bother to spell correctly when I want people to listen to and respect what I have to say. I use a dictionary wherever spell-crutch isn't available. It takes time, but keeps me from being teased. [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] Maril [ August 26, 2002: Message edited by: Marileangorifurnimaluim ] __________________ Deserves death! I daresay he does... And some die that deserve life. Can you give it to them?

08-27-2002, 11:03 AM	#58
Marileangorifurnimaluim Eerie Forest Spectre Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Buried in scrolls of fanfiction Posts: 798	'Via POST: Congratulations, Squatter of Amon Rudh (we trust we have spelled your name correctly)! Thank you for your application. After careful consideration, you have hereby been awarded copyrights to the word "pedantic" for the term of 15 years, effective August 15, 2002.' The Barrow-Wight owes you 0.377777 cents. How does that translate to British pounds? Maril [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] __________________ Deserves death! I daresay he does... And some die that deserve life. Can you give it to them?

08-27-2002, 01:18 PM	#59
The Squatter of Amon Rûdh Spectre of Decay Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Bar-en-Danwedh Posts: 2,178	0.2474 New Pence; £0.002474 Sterling or 0.003872 Euro precisely, according to this morning's exchange rates. I shall endeavour not to spend it all at once. Singing: I'm in the money. I'm in the money. I've got a lot of what it takes to get along... __________________ Man kenuva métim' andúne? Last edited by The Squatter of Amon Rûdh; 02-22-2006 at 05:23 AM. Reason: Repair of UBB smiley and removal of old editing notice

08-30-2002, 04:01 PM	#60
Beren87 Master of the Secret Fire Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Between fire and ice, death and life Posts: 2,241	Thanks all, my whole-assed opinons NEED to be shot down anyway for the good of mankind. [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] But uhhh, I guess it was just my "rebel without a brain" persona coming through, restrictions make me queasy. Now that I look, the rules are definetly better for the site. [ August 30, 2002: Message edited by: Beren87 ] [ August 30, 2002: Message edited by: Beren87 ]