We Have A Critic!

[Gilthalion]

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Someone must want our attention!

For the second week in a row, Michael Martinez has centered his column around a prominent feature of the Barrow-Downs.

It would be nice if he at least would do the kindness of linking folk to the things he critiques!

You can find his latest critical essay here:
http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/tolkien/63343A funny thing happened on the way to the canon</a>
Summation, in case you don't feel like the effort: &quot;Don't try.&quot;

This is where the work is getting done:
<a href="http://www.barrowdowns.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=8&t=000000Canon Discussions</a>

Personally, I think the guy has some interesting observations in his articles, but he must be hard up for materials! These are works in progress, after all.

This was his article last week that criticized efforts like mine, kindly hosted here at the Barrow-Downs:
http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/tolkien/63164The Over the Bree-hill gang rides again
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Summation, in case you don't feel like the effort: &quot;Don't try.&quot;


You can read the sequel in progress here:
http://www.barrowdowns.com/fanfichobbits00.aspThe Hobbits</a>

Someone once said that those who can, do. Those who can't, teach. Those who can't teach, become critics...

But if you, yourself, ever come under the eye of a critic one day, be sure to read carefully, because you may learn something that will be helpful in making your work better.

(I actually typed that with a straight face. <img src=laugh.gif ALT=":lol"> )

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[Zoe]

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Re: We Have A Critic!

I thought the quote was:

Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach. Those who can't teach, teach teachers. Those who can't teach teachers, teach university lecturers. Those who can't teach university lecturers, become Prime Minister.

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[Inziladun]

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Re: We Have A Critic!

Or President,for those of us without Prime Ministers. <img src=wink.gif ALT="">

Those who will defend authority against rebellion must not themselves rebel. </p>

[Lady Eowyn]

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Re: We Have A Critic!

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you guys are too funny...

And he that breaks a thing to find out what it is has left the path of wisdom</p>Edited by: <A HREF=http://www.barrowdowns.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_profile&u=00000065>Lady Eowyn</A> at: 3/18/01 1:52:23 am

[HerenIstarion]

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My chances of becoming a Prime Minister or a President (for we have both) are increasing obviously

[Gilthalion]

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Re: We Have A Critic!

I think you're right, Zoe! But I've heard this other variation!

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[burrahobbit]

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Re: We Have A Critic!

&quot;I deserve no better than to be ignored and treated with the utmost contempt&quot;

Indeed!

What's a burrahobbit got to do with my pocket, anyways?</p>

[lindil]

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Re: We Have A Critic!

In Fairness to MM re: the Silm I had asked him about doing another peice awhile back . At the time of the first Silm canon article , he thought we were sold on an MT version and we hadn't even started a text.

And after all it is the only thing of it's kind going on.



Lindil is oft found on posting on the Silmarillion Project at the Barrowdowns and working on a new Elven/Christian discussion board<a href="http://beta.ezboard.com/bosanwekenta" >Osanwe-Kenta</a> 'The dwindling Men of the West would often sit up late into the night, and awaken early before dawn- exchanging lore and wisdom such as they possessed , so that they should not fall back into the mean and low estate of those , who never knew or more sadly still, had indeed rebelled against the Light.' </p>

[Gilthalion]

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Re: We Have A Critic!

Then in fairness, a little bit of an apology is due him!

<center> ...sorry<img src=frown.gif ALT=""> ...</center>

But also in fairness, the tone of each article &quot;set me off&quot; after the second one.

Obviously, had the tone been different, the critical points might have been better received. At least by me. I would no doubt have posted great praise with the links.

But I did post the links. I really think that is a bit of internetiquette that we should all practice in the online Tolkien community. Everyone is helped thereby.

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[lindil]

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Re: We Have A Critic!

Clearly etiquette is missing in regards to much of this.
I am really at aloss to know what to do about the mess at the Silm Forum.
Let it run down?
Edit mercilessly?
Lock the topics?


Any ideas ?

the frustrated moderator

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[Gilthalion]

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Re: We Have A Critic!

Since I have taken a new gander over there I see that the Administrator has taken a hand and that should be that.

Also having taken a look at the Copywrite thread there, MM has made a complimentary post about the beginning of THE HOBBITS.

So now I take back everything I said about critics!

Until the next time!

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[Orald]

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Re: We Have A Critic!

Did I miss something?

Thus even as Eru spoke to us shall beauty not before conceived be brought into Eä, and evil be good to have been.</p>

[Gilthalion]

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Re: We Have A Critic!

Nothing important!

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