Is Arwen a reincarnation of Luthien the Fair?!!! - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Morgul Queen · 09-18-2002, 02:40 PM

Just wondering, But does anyone else get the general feeling that Arwen is the reincarnation of Luthien Tinuviel?!!!!!

Rohirrim Lass · 09-18-2002, 02:50 PM

No, I don't get that feeling. She was her great-great-granddaughter and looks something like her, and shared her doom. But my understanding is that's about it.

Mattius · 09-18-2002, 03:00 PM

Tolkien once got a letter like this and said that she was not the inncarnation of Luthien. Luthien was turned from and Elf to a Woman and when she died her spirit left Middle-Earth and never returned. Arwen therefore can't be her spirit in another form as Luthien is long gone, her spirit far from Middle-Earth. However Tolkien did say that they were extremly similar and shared a similar fate. They even looked so alike that when Aragorn first saw Arwen he called to her with the name Luthien.

Ravenna · 09-18-2002, 03:52 PM

In FoTR, chapter many meetings, it does say that in Arwen thet it was considered that the likeness of Luthien had come back to Middle Earth, but not that she had been reincarnated as Arwen.

Frodo Baggins · 09-18-2002, 06:01 PM

Well, I have a great-great-grandfather that I look a lot alike. And since Arwen was Luthien's great-great-granddaughter she probably looked at lot like her. She also looked a lot like her father Elrond.

Neferchoirwen · 09-18-2002, 08:44 PM

Though what I may say here is a bit off, I think It's sort of like the genes skipping every after generation. So Lutien's genes landed on Arwen at the right time, only better than the other generations before her.

Just a thought.

Amarie · 09-19-2002, 02:23 AM

Quote:

My son, years come when hope will fade, and beyond them little is clear to me. And now a shadow lies between us. Maybe, it has been appointed so, that by my loss the kingship of Men may be restored. Therefore, though I love you, I say to you: Arwen Undomiel shall not diminish her life's grace for less cause. She shall not be te bride of any Man less than the King of both Gondor and Arnor.

If Arwen did not look like Luthien would Aragorn have loved her? If not, what of the quote above?
Perhaps her likeness to Luthien was not merely a chance of genetics.

09-18-2002, 02:40 PM	#1
Morgul Queen Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dontgonearthe Castle Posts: 414	Is Arwen a reincarnation of Luthien the Fair?!!! Just wondering, But does anyone else get the general feeling that Arwen is the reincarnation of Luthien Tinuviel?!!!!! __________________ Athrabeth is still doing the wave for Boromir the Disco-King Oh...and call me Morgy!

09-18-2002, 03:00 PM	#3
Mattius Soul of Fire Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: City of Steel Posts: 666	Tolkien once got a letter like this and said that she was not the inncarnation of Luthien. Luthien was turned from and Elf to a Woman and when she died her spirit left Middle-Earth and never returned. Arwen therefore can't be her spirit in another form as Luthien is long gone, her spirit far from Middle-Earth. However Tolkien did say that they were extremly similar and shared a similar fate. They even looked so alike that when Aragorn first saw Arwen he called to her with the name Luthien. __________________ A problem shared is a problem halved, so is your problem really yours or just half of someone else's?

09-18-2002, 06:01 PM	#5
Frodo Baggins Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Bag-End, Under-Hill, Hobbiton-across-the Water Posts: 606	Well, I have a great-great-grandfather that I look a lot alike. And since Arwen was Luthien's great-great-granddaughter she probably looked at lot like her. She also looked a lot like her father Elrond. __________________ "I'm your huckleberry....that's just my game."

09-18-2002, 08:44 PM	#6
Neferchoirwen Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: RtR: 483.3 miles, Fords of Bruinen Posts: 512	Though what I may say here is a bit off, I think It's sort of like the genes skipping every after generation. So Lutien's genes landed on Arwen at the right time, only better than the other generations before her. Just a thought. __________________ On really romantic nights of self, I go salsa dancing with my confusion. ~Speed Levitch http://crevicesofsilence.blogspot.com/

09-18-2002, 02:50 PM	#2
Rohirrim Lass Pile O'Bones Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Where ever... Posts: 25	No, I don't get that feeling. She was her great-great-granddaughter and looks something like her, and shared her doom. But my understanding is that's about it.

09-18-2002, 03:52 PM	#4
Ravenna Haunting Spirit Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: witney, oxfordshire Posts: 70	In FoTR, chapter many meetings, it does say that in Arwen thet it was considered that the likeness of Luthien had come back to Middle Earth, but not that she had been reincarnated as Arwen.