Would not the Power of the rings be never-ending if... - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Elvish Archer · 01-20-2004, 08:03 PM

If Saruman's theory of where the Ring had gone, (floated down the river and out to Sea never to be seen/worn again) had actually occured, would not the three Elven rings' power never end? Granted they'd still have to fight that Royal pain in the neck Sauron and all his not-so-little armies in Mordor, but still, it's my understanding that it was the destruction of the One that brought an end to the powers of the others. Thus, if the One were lost and never destroyed, the Three would continue on... Right?

Legolas · 01-20-2004, 11:02 PM

Right, but it was completely inevitable that the Ring would be found and the Three Rings would be of little use when Sauron ruled Middle-earth anyway.

<font size=1 color=339966>[ 12:03 AM January 21, 2004: Message edited by: Legolas ]

Alatariel · 01-21-2004, 11:37 AM

Exactly. Remember, as Gandalf said (I don't know if it is in the book or just the movie) "the ring wants to be found." Eventually, somehow, someway, the ring would be found. As Legolas pointed out - it was inevitable.

Even before the elves knew that the Ring had been found, however, they were still leaving ME. By the time that Gandalf realized that Bilbo's ring was THE Ring, the vast majority of elves had already left for Valinor, even though the three elven rings still held their power. So, even before the elven rings lost their power, the time of the elves was drawing to a close.

Finwe · 01-21-2004, 12:02 PM

My point exactly. You can't exactly rule a people who are leaving these shores. You'd be a King or Queen without a people, so, in essence, they wouldn't be a ruler at all. That was why Elrond declined the Kingship of the Noldor. He realized that his people were leaving those shores, and that there was absolutely no point in ruling a nonexistent population, which was, after all, the purpose of the Three.

Iarhen · 01-23-2004, 04:48 PM

The kingship of the Noldor? When was it offered to him? Gil-Galad had no sons, that’s why there were no more High King of the Noldor in Middle Earth. Not because Elrond rejected it.

Finwe · 01-23-2004, 06:28 PM

Ok, it was never directly offered to him, but Elrond was the last remaining male descendant of the House of Fingolfin. That immediately qualified him as eligible, in addition to being Gil-galad's vice-regent in Eriador.

01-20-2004, 08:03 PM	#1
Elvish Archer Animated Skeleton Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Land of Insanity, State of Denial Posts: 36	Would not the Power of the rings be never-ending if... If Saruman's theory of where the Ring had gone, (floated down the river and out to Sea never to be seen/worn again) had actually occured, would not the three Elven rings' power never end? Granted they'd still have to fight that Royal pain in the neck Sauron and all his not-so-little armies in Mordor, but still, it's my understanding that it was the destruction of the One that brought an end to the powers of the others. Thus, if the One were lost and never destroyed, the Three would continue on... Right? __________________ Fan of LotR, before it was a fad. He who laughs last, thinks slowest.

01-20-2004, 11:02 PM	#2
Legolas A Northern Soul Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Valinor Posts: 1,847	Right, but it was completely inevitable that the Ring would be found and the Three Rings would be of little use when Sauron ruled Middle-earth anyway. <font size=1 color=339966>[ 12:03 AM January 21, 2004: Message edited by: Legolas ] __________________ ...take counsel with thyself, and remember who and what thou art.

01-21-2004, 11:37 AM	#3
Alatariel Wight Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Cliffs of Insanity Posts: 178	Exactly. Remember, as Gandalf said (I don't know if it is in the book or just the movie) "the ring wants to be found." Eventually, somehow, someway, the ring would be found. As Legolas pointed out - it was inevitable. Even before the elves knew that the Ring had been found, however, they were still leaving ME. By the time that Gandalf realized that Bilbo's ring was THE Ring, the vast majority of elves had already left for Valinor, even though the three elven rings still held their power. So, even before the elven rings lost their power, the time of the elves was drawing to a close. __________________ You mean you'll put down your rock and I'll put down my sword and we'll try to kill each other like civilized people?

01-21-2004, 12:02 PM	#4
Finwe Deathless Sun Join Date: May 2003 Location: The Royal Suite in the Halls of Mandos Posts: 2,609	My point exactly. You can't exactly rule a people who are leaving these shores. You'd be a King or Queen without a people, so, in essence, they wouldn't be a ruler at all. That was why Elrond declined the Kingship of the Noldor. He realized that his people were leaving those shores, and that there was absolutely no point in ruling a nonexistent population, which was, after all, the purpose of the Three. __________________ But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.

01-23-2004, 04:48 PM	#5
Iarhen Wight Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Laurelindorenan Posts: 225	The kingship of the Noldor? When was it offered to him? Gil-Galad had no sons, that’s why there were no more High King of the Noldor in Middle Earth. Not because Elrond rejected it. __________________ "In place of a Dark Lord you will have a Queen! Not dark but beatiful and terrible as the Dawn! Treacherous as the sea! Stronger than the foundations of the Earth! All shall love me and despair!" --- Galadriel when tempted by the One Ring.

01-23-2004, 06:28 PM	#6
Finwe Deathless Sun Join Date: May 2003 Location: The Royal Suite in the Halls of Mandos Posts: 2,609	Ok, it was never directly offered to him, but Elrond was the last remaining male descendant of the House of Fingolfin. That immediately qualified him as eligible, in addition to being Gil-galad's vice-regent in Eriador. __________________ But Melkor also was there, and he came to the house of Fëanor, and there he slew Finwë King of the Noldor before his doors, and spilled the first blood in the Blessed Realm; for Finwë alone had not fled from the horror of the Dark.