Another Topic: Did Merry or Eowyn ...

[Balin999]

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...kill the Lord of the Nazgul?
im sure that i already know the answer but i saw this question coming up at another site...
i just wanted to know what u all think about it before i post my answer to that question.

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Merry or Eowyn....................

Well, Merry did help, but it was really Eowyn who did the final deed that actually killed it. Sure, without Merry it probably wouldn't have happened that way but still, Eowyn is the main doer here.

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Re: Another Topic: Did Merry or Eowyn ...

Merry's sword broke the spell that held him together and what have you, but a sword in the face didn't stop his dying.

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[Balin999]

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Merry+Eowyn

I agree with both of u
it is also written, and the lord of the nazgul says it himself, that no man could ever kill him. so we see why tolkien let eowyn ride with the rohirrim disguised as Dernhelm .

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Re: Another Topic: Did Merry or Eowyn ...

Ive often wondered about the translation of &quot;no man&quot;, it could be read that Merry is a hobbit and not a &quot;man&quot;. Eowyn struck the killing blow though.





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Re: Another Topic: Did Merry or Eowyn ...

The Lord of the Nazgul (LoN) said that &quot;no man&quot; could kill him. Which might have meant that a woman or a hobbit could. But remember, hobbits were originally related to humans, so they might be considered 'Men'.

So let's look at what actually happened.

Merry stabbed the LoN in the back of the knee. This caused him to stumble, allowing Eowyn the chance to stab him in the 'head'. Since his knee had sinew which could be pierced, his head must have been physical enough to have suffered from Eowyn's blow .... except for what Tolkien wrote a few paragraphs later about Merry's Barrow-sword.

The blade had been wrought by men of the North-kingdom long ago when their chief enemy had been the LoN. It had lain magically preserved for ages in the tomb of a forgotten king.

Tolkien wrote ...
... no other blade ... would have dealt that foe a wound so bitter, cleaving the undead flesh, breaking the spell that knit his unseen sinews to his will.

I think that Merry's blade pierced his magical invulnerability, dropping it, allowing Eowyn's blade to pierce him as well. Hers was the final blow. But it would have been ineffectual without Merry's first strike.


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Re: Another Topic: Did Merry or Eowyn ...

And since Merry's sword was destroyed
after his attack, he wouldn't have
been able to kill the LotN, even if
his arm wasn't numbed.

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Re: Another Topic: Did Merry or Eowyn ...

I agree.

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re: but you also have to remember what...

Happened to Frodos barrow sword when he stabbed the lon on weathertop.It dissapered but did not kill the lon so if the swords could dissperce the magic then the lon would have died on weathertop.
That must mean that Merrys sword just hurt the lon enough for him to stumble and then for Eowen to kill him.If you understand what I mean reply please.
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Re: re: but you also have to remember what...

Where in the world did you get that word 'Ion'???? To me an ion is a charged particle.

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Re: re: but you also have to remember what...

lon = l.o.n. = Lord of the Nazgûl

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Re: re: but you also have to remember what...

Damn acronyms. Lazy typists. <img src=tongue.gif ALT=":b">

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Re: re: but you also have to remember what...

Frodo's sword didn't actually touch the LoN (<img src=wink.gif ALT=""> ), it just slashed its cloak.
I've always thought it was a joint effort between Merry and Eowyn--neither could have done it alone. Only a woman and a hobbit together have the power to destroy the Lord of the Nazgul...
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What I think

Considering they couldn't have done it without each other, they both killed him. But I believe he would have died without Eowyn's &quot;final blow&quot;.

&quot;No other blade, not though mightier hands had wielded it, would have dealt that foe a wound so bitter, cleaving the undead flesh, breaking the spell that knit his unseen sinews to his will.&quot;

But she did finish him off. And if it wasn't for her, Merry wouldn't have had the courage to do what he did. Without each other, they would have both died (well, one or the other, lol).

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I agree

I think they both needed each other to kill him. Eowyn could not have dealt the final blow if Merry had not been there to cripple him...it was a joint effort.

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It was her not merry although merry did have his part he atually saved her from being killed by the witch king but merry could not of killed the king because although he was not a man the fact that he could not be killed by any man refered to the Elves and Dwarfs as well. So for that matter it was not the race of men who could not kill him (as Eoywen was from this race) but the male sex which could not kill the lord of the Nazgul.

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That is your interpretation of the words....

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I did it! And I'm glad I did it!

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[Jjudvven]

it doesn't really matter WHO killed him, he was killed. they both had a part in it and couldn't have done it alone. they really both killed him.

The blade did the damage; so the kill should go to the original wizard who placed the spell on the blade. How it was deliverred was not forseen but it was designed to remove that person be he normal or undead.
Eowyn's stoke hit the mortally wounded,However she is responsible for giving Merry the courage to strike and placed doubt in the Ring wraiths mind that perhaps she was the instrument of his destruction.

[Eowyn of Ithilien]

I saw this one on Mordor...I think that you're all pretty right, neither could have done it without the other...the main debate seems to be if man=male and therefore the fact that Merry's a male hobbit excludes him, or if man=homo sapien male and therefore it was Eowyn's doing

[Manwe]

I think it's a rather tricky question, if 'man' means human or male. In the swedish translation it's man as in 'male'. And it's a fact that Eowyn says something like 'but I am no living man...', and then she must mean man as in male.