Quoting from the Published Silmarillion - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Inderjit Sanghera · 04-10-2003, 06:59 AM

I was just wondering how you lot feel about quoting from the Published Silmarillion? I for one would much rather post from the unfinished Quenta's of HoME 10 and 11 or even on occasion the Quenta's of HoME 4 and 5 ,though this is when the debate is not 'canonical' so to speak.

Maédhros · 04-10-2003, 11:17 AM

I tend to agree with you. I would rather quote something from a pure Tolkien text than the Published Silmarillion. Now, having said that, there are several passages from Book of Lost Tales, that I enjoy using, yet I know that while they were Tolkien's writtings, the ideas changed over time.
Also, there is the fact that JRRT intented to rewrite certain parts of the Sil, ex: the role of Galadriel, so sometimes it makes me wonder about her and other topics in the quenta.

**lindil** · 04-10-2003, 12:16 PM

See the **principles** thread; wherein this sort of question is, I am almost certain, addressed in almost complete detail.

The latest Source text[s] is always the default text. QS 77/99 is only used when it can arguably be said to be a necessary improvement on the source texts. Doriath may prove to be our source text for that chapter, along with some modifications needed from Wanderings of Hurin.

The chapter 'Of Aule and Yavanna' might be an example where we would use the chapter already conflated in 77/99 from the Anaxartamel and [I think] the Annals of Aman [WotJ].

[ April 10, 2003: Message edited by: lindil ]

04-10-2003, 06:59 AM	#1
Inderjit Sanghera Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Wolverhampton, England Posts: 716	Quoting from the Published Silmarillion I was just wondering how you lot feel about quoting from the Published Silmarillion? I for one would much rather post from the unfinished Quenta's of HoME 10 and 11 or even on occasion the Quenta's of HoME 4 and 5 ,though this is when the debate is not 'canonical' so to speak. __________________ “If I’m more of an influence on your son as a rapper then you are as a father then you've got to look at yourself as a parent” ~>Ice Cube. "Life is so beautiful"->Don Vito Corleone

04-10-2003, 11:17 AM	#2
Maédhros The Kinslayer Join Date: May 2002 Location: Formenos Posts: 658	I tend to agree with you. I would rather quote something from a pure Tolkien text than the Published Silmarillion. Now, having said that, there are several passages from Book of Lost Tales, that I enjoy using, yet I know that while they were Tolkien's writtings, the ideas changed over time. Also, there is the fact that JRRT intented to rewrite certain parts of the Sil, ex: the role of Galadriel, so sometimes it makes me wonder about her and other topics in the quenta. __________________ "Alas, poor Yorick! I knew him, Horatio; a fellow of infinite jest, of most excellent fancy."

04-10-2003, 12:16 PM	#3
lindil Seeker of the Straight Path Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: a hidden fastness in Big Valley nor cal Posts: 1,680	See the principles thread; wherein this sort of question is, I am almost certain, addressed in almost complete detail. The latest Source text[s] is always the default text. QS 77/99 is only used when it can arguably be said to be a necessary improvement on the source texts. Doriath may prove to be our source text for that chapter, along with some modifications needed from Wanderings of Hurin. The chapter 'Of Aule and Yavanna' might be an example where we would use the chapter already conflated in 77/99 from the Anaxartamel and [I think] the Annals of Aman [WotJ]. [ April 10, 2003: Message edited by: lindil ] __________________ The dwindling Men of the West would often sit up late into the night exchanging lore & wisdom such as they still possessed that they should not fall back into the mean estate of those who never knew or indeed rebelled against the Light.