Dr. Saruman or how i learned to stop worrying and love the ring... - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Balin999 · 01-14-2003, 06:51 AM

Does anyone of you know the movie by Stanley Kubrick, "Dr. Strangelove or how i learned to stop worrying and love the bomb?"
If not, it's a movie about the cold war, and eventually the whole world is destroyed by Nuclear-bombs.
Could there be a connection with Saruman?
I mean, he would definitely worry about the ring, and later on he stops worrying and, well not loves, but wants to have it himself.
And if he would have managed to get it, Middle-earth would more or less be destroyed in the end. (example: the Shire, after "Sharkey" has ruled it.)
Any thoughts about that?

Helkahothion · 01-14-2003, 03:13 PM

Dear Balin999,

I did not see the movie but I notice the resemblence. Only I think that Saruman would not use the ring for total anyalation, but to rule it. Whole of Arda would have become the shire. Everybody obeying the rules he made and his Orc's would rampage all over Arda. Hmm I think a sertain person would like that.

Greetings,

Anuion
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Manwe Sulimo · 01-14-2003, 03:49 PM

Actually, in the movie Dr. Strangelove, the world was destroyed by the doomsday weapon that the Soviets had created in case they were attacked by the bomb. This could probably be Sauron's last-ditch effort to destroy whoever had the Ring before falling into the Abyss....probably destroying Middle-earth with him.

Helkahothion · 01-14-2003, 03:53 PM

No way,

Legolas would come and save the day. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Greetings,

Anuion
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MLD-Grounds-Keeper-Willie · 01-14-2003, 04:29 PM

I think I saw a part of that movie. I saw a part where two guys were stuck in a building with a machine gun and then one of them commits suicide instead of being captured...is that right? Anyways, I really didn't see too much of that movie, but I might rent it or something.

doug*platypus · 01-15-2003, 05:37 AM

Great post.

Don't worry Balin, we all know you're not an idiot. You're just the devil in a crude disguise. What's with the upside-down 666?

The only Strangelove thing I've seen is where Homer rides the nuclear bomb in The Simpsons (The Cat Burglar episode). But I don't think that complete destruction of the world is what either Sauron or Saruman wanted. They simply wanted everything under their domination and control. They would not have wanted everything completely uninhabitable, at least not uninhabitable by Orcs (and perhaps in Saruman's case men as well).

Balin999 · 01-15-2003, 10:10 AM

Well, I didn't think of the fact that if Saruman destroyed the world, he had no one to rule... hmm....

Hm and that's a good point, that the ring would kill the one who tried to use it against him. But, then Frodo would have died on Mount Doom after claiming the ring... hm... no he wouldn't have, because he didn'T attack Sauron with it. Difficult question.

Oh, and willkill4food, if that is the most intelligent you can say, f*** off. I don't have a problem with people not agreeing with my opinions, but I do have a problem with people like you, who can't discuss a problem properly. Maybe you haven't learned, yet.
Anyways, don't bother insulting me in the future: I won't react.

The 666 upside down derives from my original nickname in the game "Diablo". I wanted to be named Sauron666, but I couldn't create that account, so it became Sauron999. Balin is one of my favourite characters, too, so that's how I came to my nick. (And thanks for your support).

Birdland · 01-15-2003, 10:28 AM

Yes, I believe in the book that Saruman did not want destruction, but "order". He also wanted the trains to all run on time. If they had had trains, that is.

Makes ya wonder what Stanley Kubrick would have done with LoTR, if he had got his paws on the film rights.

HCIsland · 01-15-2003, 11:53 AM

The title of the Kubrick film is meant to be tongue in cheek, how to except an absolutely insane situation and make it quasi-logical. I don't think that applies to Saruman's feelings towards the ring at all.

Kubrick doing LoTR. Wow, that would be interesting (especially considering he's dead [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] ). Remember The Shining. I think Stephen King fans were ready to linch him. I love Kubrick and I love Tolkien and so I am very glad this never happened.

H.C.

Estelyn Telcontar · 01-16-2003, 07:34 AM

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01-14-2003, 06:51 AM	#1
Balin999 Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2000 Location: East of the Sun, West of the Moon Posts: 493	Dr. Saruman or how i learned to stop worrying and love the ring... Does anyone of you know the movie by Stanley Kubrick, "Dr. Strangelove or how i learned to stop worrying and love the bomb?" If not, it's a movie about the cold war, and eventually the whole world is destroyed by Nuclear-bombs. Could there be a connection with Saruman? I mean, he would definitely worry about the ring, and later on he stops worrying and, well not loves, but wants to have it himself. And if he would have managed to get it, Middle-earth would more or less be destroyed in the end. (example: the Shire, after "Sharkey" has ruled it.) Any thoughts about that? __________________ ...Nichts ist gelber als Gelb selber... ...The opposite of courage in our society is not cowardice, but conformity... ...Everything is possible, except to ski through a revolving door...

01-14-2003, 03:13 PM	#2
Helkahothion Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The inside of Legolas' lungs Posts: 1,005	Dear Balin999, I did not see the movie but I notice the resemblence. Only I think that Saruman would not use the ring for total anyalation, but to rule it. Whole of Arda would have become the shire. Everybody obeying the rules he made and his Orc's would rampage all over Arda. Hmm I think a sertain person would like that. Greetings, Anuion ________ MERCEDES-BENZ M113 ENGINE HISTORY Last edited by Helkahothion; 03-07-2011 at 01:52 AM.

01-14-2003, 03:49 PM	#3
Manwe Sulimo Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Taurelilómëa-tumbalemorna Tumbaletaurëa Lómëanor Posts: 553	Actually, in the movie Dr. Strangelove, the world was destroyed by the doomsday weapon that the Soviets had created in case they were attacked by the bomb. This could probably be Sauron's last-ditch effort to destroy whoever had the Ring before falling into the Abyss....probably destroying Middle-earth with him. __________________ "Monkeys learn sign language so they can tell the dolphins they love them."

01-14-2003, 03:53 PM	#4
Helkahothion Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The inside of Legolas' lungs Posts: 1,005	No way, Legolas would come and save the day. [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] Greetings, Anuion ________ Dodge m37 history Last edited by Helkahothion; 03-07-2011 at 01:52 AM.

01-14-2003, 04:29 PM	#5
MLD-Grounds-Keeper-Willie Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: San Francisco Posts: 573	I think I saw a part of that movie. I saw a part where two guys were stuck in a building with a machine gun and then one of them commits suicide instead of being captured...is that right? Anyways, I really didn't see too much of that movie, but I might rent it or something. __________________ Do Not Touch -Willie

01-15-2003, 05:37 AM	#6
doug*platypus Delver in the Deep Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Aotearoa Posts: 960	Great post. Don't worry Balin, we all know you're not an idiot. You're just the devil in a crude disguise. What's with the upside-down 666? The only Strangelove thing I've seen is where Homer rides the nuclear bomb in The Simpsons (The Cat Burglar episode). But I don't think that complete destruction of the world is what either Sauron or Saruman wanted. They simply wanted everything under their domination and control. They would not have wanted everything completely uninhabitable, at least not uninhabitable by Orcs (and perhaps in Saruman's case men as well). __________________ But Gwindor answered: 'The doom lies in yourself, not in your name'.

01-15-2003, 10:10 AM	#7
Balin999 Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2000 Location: East of the Sun, West of the Moon Posts: 493	Well, I didn't think of the fact that if Saruman destroyed the world, he had no one to rule... hmm.... Hm and that's a good point, that the ring would kill the one who tried to use it against him. But, then Frodo would have died on Mount Doom after claiming the ring... hm... no he wouldn't have, because he didn'T attack Sauron with it. Difficult question. Oh, and willkill4food, if that is the most intelligent you can say, f*** off. I don't have a problem with people not agreeing with my opinions, but I do have a problem with people like you, who can't discuss a problem properly. Maybe you haven't learned, yet. Anyways, don't bother insulting me in the future: I won't react. The 666 upside down derives from my original nickname in the game "Diablo". I wanted to be named Sauron666, but I couldn't create that account, so it became Sauron999. Balin is one of my favourite characters, too, so that's how I came to my nick. (And thanks for your support). __________________ ...Nichts ist gelber als Gelb selber... ...The opposite of courage in our society is not cowardice, but conformity... ...Everything is possible, except to ski through a revolving door...

01-15-2003, 10:28 AM	#8
Birdland Ghastly Neekerbreeker Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: the banks of the mighty Scioto Posts: 1,751	Yes, I believe in the book that Saruman did not want destruction, but "order". He also wanted the trains to all run on time. If they had had trains, that is. Makes ya wonder what Stanley Kubrick would have done with LoTR, if he had got his paws on the film rights.

01-15-2003, 11:53 AM	#9
HCIsland Zombie Cannibal Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,000	The title of the Kubrick film is meant to be tongue in cheek, how to except an absolutely insane situation and make it quasi-logical. I don't think that applies to Saruman's feelings towards the ring at all. Kubrick doing LoTR. Wow, that would be interesting (especially considering he's dead [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] ). Remember The Shining. I think Stephen King fans were ready to linch him. I love Kubrick and I love Tolkien and so I am very glad this never happened. H.C. __________________ "Stir not the bitterness in the cup that I mixed myself. Have I not tasted it now many nights upon my tongue, foreboding that worse yet lay in the dregs." -Denethor

01-16-2003, 07:34 AM	#10
Estelyn Telcontar Princess of Skwerlz Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: where the Sea is eastwards (WtR: 6060 miles) Posts: 7,500	Off-topic posts with personal insults have been deleted from this thread. This post will also be deleted when it has been read by those concerned. __________________ 'Mercy!' cried Gandalf. 'If the giving of information is to be the cure of your inquisitiveness, I shall spend all the rest of my days in answering you. What more do you want to know?' 'The whole history of Middle-earth...'