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elven maiden Earwen · 01-13-2003, 09:03 PM

what do you guys think was the saddest part in the books.mine was actually the tale of arwen and aragorn in the appendix that storyu toched my heart and every time i read it i cry it has a very deep meaning to it and you can juast feel there sadness [img]smilies/frown.gif[/img]

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MLD-Grounds-Keeper-Willie · 01-13-2003, 09:23 PM

I'd have to say it was the scene with Gollum Sam and Frodo on the steps of Cirith Ungol. And then...that...THAT SAM....he just had to ruin everything.

Also, it's very sad when Frodo leaves to the Grey Havens and when Theoden dies and also when Grima dies.

And since you said the books, in The Hobbit, after the battle of the five armies, when they said that Thorin died and Fili and Kili were found dead defending Thorin...that's so sad.

elven maiden Earwen · 01-13-2003, 09:25 PM

deffentily when theoden died and i cried at the havens and when sam comes back that is so sad also the battle of five armies was really sad [img]smilies/frown.gif[/img]

maiden of the Shire · 01-14-2003, 05:06 AM

For me, when Frodo leaves Middle Earth. It's especially sad because he sacraficed so much for Middle Earth and then his heroism is hardly recognized in the Shire and he can't even enjoy his home because he's ill and haunted by the quest.

Deathwail · 01-14-2003, 05:09 AM

From the Sil "Then he came and falling beside Beren spoke for the third time with words; and he bade Beren farewell before he died.Beren spoke not,but laid his hand upon the head of the hound,and so they parted." And so ended Huan the Warhound of Valar slayer of Carcharoth and Draugluin the two mightest Werewolves and the one to defeat Sauron in single combat.To me Huan was one of the greatest heros and it made me sad when he died from the wounds in the battle with Carcharoth. [img]smilies/frown.gif[/img]

Jurion · 01-14-2003, 06:32 AM

In the Sil: At the end of Of the Rings of Power and the Third Age: When The ringbearers sail away.
And of course the Grey Havens in LotR.

doug*platypus · 01-14-2003, 06:33 AM

The Grey Havens just tears me to pieces whenever I have read it. Even just thinking about it is so sad, although at the same time you have to feel happy for everyone sailing to the Undying Lands, especially I think for Galadriel and Elrond. It is the departure of some of the greatest characters I came to love throughout the book (and The Hobbit) - Frodo, Gandalf, Elrond, Galadriel, and the thought of Merry, Pippin and Sam riding home depressed after that is almost more than I can take.

Plus it's the end of the book, which always hurts. Sam's "Well, I'm back" does wonders for making me feel better, though.

Balin999 · 01-14-2003, 06:39 AM

The saddest part in the book is definitely the part where you think that Pippin actually dies at the battle before the Morannon. I nearly cried when I read it.
In TTT it was the scene when Frodo talks to Smeagol about his past and when Stinker is debating with Slinker. Everyone around me laughed at Gollum in the theatre, but that scene was one of the saddest I'v ever seen in a movie.

Aratlithiel · 01-14-2003, 07:43 AM

Since I'm one of the biggest Frodo fans I know, I'm going to say that the part that pulled at my heart the most was when Frodo did not have the strength to walk and so began to crawl on his hands and knees to continue on. To me it spoke to the nobility of Frodo and his determination to keep going until his last strength failed him. And Sam's reaction to this broke my heart. GOD! I LOVE these books! I wish there were more Frodo stories!

Aule · 01-14-2003, 08:26 AM

Balin i'm sure that Pippin doesn't die, cause Gimli pulls him from the heap of bodies saving his life. But none the less it was a very sad part cause i myself though he died until i read further.
An extremey sad part was when Gollum nearly becomes good again but Sam ruins it, just knowing that Gollum may have been saved brough a tear to my eye, although i was consoled by the fact by his continued evil peace was brought back into the world.
At the grey havens when Frodo finally leaves his friends and ME, it was also particularly sad for me as i realised that soon there would be no more Elves left in ME, so that tere goodness would never be seen again.
In the Silm when Fingolfin goes out to fight Morgoth and finally after a galant fight dies. (at least i think its Fingolfin). Though again felt better knowing that he humiliated Morgoth (in my opinion) so that no Orc would ever boast of that fight as a great victory

Estelyn Telcontar · 01-14-2003, 11:26 AM

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Manardariel · 01-14-2003, 11:42 AM

In the Sil: Lúthien and Beren. I ceied my eyes out...

In LotR(books): Grey Havens (duh), Mount Doom, as well as this quote:

Quote:

To health? It may be so. At least while there is an empty saddle of some fallen rider that I can fill, and there are deeds to do. But to hope? I do not know.

by Eowyn. That is soo sad. *sniff*

Eomer of the Rohirrim · 01-14-2003, 12:18 PM

Pippin? Dead? That's what I thought, and I was very sad.

Vardadurwen · 01-14-2003, 01:01 PM

When Galadriel gives Frodo the phial of light. Breaks my heart. I cry everytime I read it. Also, the Grey Havens. I seriously bawled my eyes out the first time I finished the books. It was just so heart-wrenching!

Meela · 01-14-2003, 04:22 PM

all the sad parts

Eldawen of Lorien · 01-14-2003, 04:37 PM

The saddest part for me was the end when most of the elves leave Middle-Earth and Lothlorien fades away. Also when you never find out if Sam ever sees Frodo again.

MLD-Grounds-Keeper-Willie · 01-14-2003, 04:47 PM

Yeah, i also think that the Pippin part was sad. I swear I reread that part like 15 times in disbelief. I kept looking for something that I read wrong before I decided to read on. But when i found out later that he lived, I was so happy and relieved.

I also think that the part when Sam gives the ring back to Frodo is sad. It shows how powerful the ring is. Sam willingly gave teh ring back to Frodo, but still he was reluctant. And it can tear two friends apart like that, in the blink of an eye. What if Sam had been the slightest bit weaker or greedier. The ring can create so much wrong and evil, like Smeagol and Deagol. But I think the saddest part about that is that Sam gave Frodo the ring back, and then the Frodo hallucinates and sees Sam as an orc. That is so sad. And after this, it brings them closer than ever, but it makes it so much sadder when Frodo leaves.

And it's also sad how Denethor took the vision the wrong way and caused bloodshed of Gondor on itself, and how he commits suicide himself.

Fingo · 01-14-2003, 04:53 PM

I ALWAYS tear up when Frodo explains to Sam that he is leaving Middle Earth. The fact that he bore so much pain and suffering and all he wanted was to stay at home in the Shire. But when he had finally completed his task, he found he couldn't even enjoy it. He was too wounded to live his life in the Shire anymore. *SNIFFLE* I cry until I finish the RotK, ponder over it, then pick the Hobbit back up and start all over.

Iarwain · 01-14-2003, 10:12 PM

I'd have to say that the scene with Gollum on the Stairs, the End, and Merry remembring Theoden in the Houses of Healing.

Smiling Sorrowfully,
Iarwian

elven maiden Earwen · 01-14-2003, 10:22 PM

the whole meaning of the book is sad
saddest thing
when huan died and beren died also the story of turin and neior made really sad
when theoden dies when merry thought of theoden battle of five armies(hobbit) death of thorin kili fili, the tale of arwen and aragorn and when frodo goes to the grey havens and when sam says im back [img]smilies/frown.gif[/img]

Faye Took · 01-14-2003, 10:26 PM

Finishing the books really brought me to tears. I have only read the books once so it was really sad. Does that count?

Arathiriel · 01-14-2003, 10:32 PM

Saddest parts to me in LOTR are:

When Sam thinks Frodo is dead in Shelob's Lair
When Frodo and Sam say goodbye at the Grey Havens
The ending to the story of Aragorn and Arwen

Also the thought of all the Elves leaving Middle Earth makes me sad as well!

Gorwingel · 01-15-2003, 12:39 AM

For me, the two saddest parts of the books are When Sam thinks Frodo's dead in Shelob's Lair, and he has to decide if he should go and continue the quest. Or stay with his fallen master (it's just so heart wrenching).
And then the other part is the Grey Havens, because that is just so sad, poor Sam [img]smilies/frown.gif[/img] .
I kind of was mad when I got to that part of the book because I thought everything was going to go well, and Frodo was going to stay in the Shire and grow old, but it just does not go that way.

Balin999 · 01-15-2003, 10:20 AM

The saddest part of the book is when it ends, because you can't read on. When I read it for the first time and came to the "Well, I'm back", i was rather angry because I just didn't want the story to stop. So I started to read it again.

01-13-2003, 09:03 PM	#1
elven maiden Earwen Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A world that never was and never will be Posts: 1,300	saddest part in book what do you guys think was the saddest part in the books.mine was actually the tale of arwen and aragorn in the appendix that storyu toched my heart and every time i read it i cry it has a very deep meaning to it and you can juast feel there sadness [img]smilies/frown.gif[/img] [ January 13, 2003: Message edited by: elven maiden Earwen ] __________________ We pillage and plunder, we rifle and loot, Drink up me hearties, Yo Ho. the looniest site in the world!!!

01-13-2003, 09:23 PM	#2
MLD-Grounds-Keeper-Willie Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: San Francisco Posts: 573	I'd have to say it was the scene with Gollum Sam and Frodo on the steps of Cirith Ungol. And then...that...THAT SAM....he just had to ruin everything. Also, it's very sad when Frodo leaves to the Grey Havens and when Theoden dies and also when Grima dies. And since you said the books, in The Hobbit, after the battle of the five armies, when they said that Thorin died and Fili and Kili were found dead defending Thorin...that's so sad. __________________ Do Not Touch -Willie

01-13-2003, 09:25 PM	#3
elven maiden Earwen Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A world that never was and never will be Posts: 1,300	deffentily when theoden died and i cried at the havens and when sam comes back that is so sad also the battle of five armies was really sad [img]smilies/frown.gif[/img] __________________ We pillage and plunder, we rifle and loot, Drink up me hearties, Yo Ho. the looniest site in the world!!!

01-14-2003, 05:06 AM	#4
maiden of the Shire Pile O'Bones Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: the Shire Posts: 16	For me, when Frodo leaves Middle Earth. It's especially sad because he sacraficed so much for Middle Earth and then his heroism is hardly recognized in the Shire and he can't even enjoy his home because he's ill and haunted by the quest. __________________ "But as for us, we are Hobbits of the Shire, far to the North and West, beyond many rivers."

01-14-2003, 05:09 AM	#5
Deathwail Haunting Spirit Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Door of Night Posts: 99	From the Sil "Then he came and falling beside Beren spoke for the third time with words; and he bade Beren farewell before he died.Beren spoke not,but laid his hand upon the head of the hound,and so they parted." And so ended Huan the Warhound of Valar slayer of Carcharoth and Draugluin the two mightest Werewolves and the one to defeat Sauron in single combat.To me Huan was one of the greatest heros and it made me sad when he died from the wounds in the battle with Carcharoth. [img]smilies/frown.gif[/img] __________________ He who arises in Might.

01-14-2003, 06:32 AM	#6
Jurion Haunting Spirit Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 85	In the Sil: At the end of Of the Rings of Power and the Third Age: When The ringbearers sail away. And of course the Grey Havens in LotR.

01-14-2003, 06:33 AM	#7
doug*platypus Delver in the Deep Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Aotearoa Posts: 960	The Grey Havens just tears me to pieces whenever I have read it. Even just thinking about it is so sad, although at the same time you have to feel happy for everyone sailing to the Undying Lands, especially I think for Galadriel and Elrond. It is the departure of some of the greatest characters I came to love throughout the book (and The Hobbit) - Frodo, Gandalf, Elrond, Galadriel, and the thought of Merry, Pippin and Sam riding home depressed after that is almost more than I can take. Plus it's the end of the book, which always hurts. Sam's "Well, I'm back" does wonders for making me feel better, though. __________________ But Gwindor answered: 'The doom lies in yourself, not in your name'.

01-14-2003, 06:39 AM	#8
Balin999 Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2000 Location: East of the Sun, West of the Moon Posts: 493	The saddest part in the book is definitely the part where you think that Pippin actually dies at the battle before the Morannon. I nearly cried when I read it. In TTT it was the scene when Frodo talks to Smeagol about his past and when Stinker is debating with Slinker. Everyone around me laughed at Gollum in the theatre, but that scene was one of the saddest I'v ever seen in a movie. __________________ ...Nichts ist gelber als Gelb selber... ...The opposite of courage in our society is not cowardice, but conformity... ...Everything is possible, except to ski through a revolving door...

01-14-2003, 07:43 AM	#9
Aratlithiel Wight Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 196	Since I'm one of the biggest Frodo fans I know, I'm going to say that the part that pulled at my heart the most was when Frodo did not have the strength to walk and so began to crawl on his hands and knees to continue on. To me it spoke to the nobility of Frodo and his determination to keep going until his last strength failed him. And Sam's reaction to this broke my heart. GOD! I LOVE these books! I wish there were more Frodo stories! __________________ - I must find the Mountain of Fire and cast the thing into the gulf of Doom. Gandalf said so. I do not think I shall ever get there. - Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup. - Where are we going?...And why am I in this handbasket?

01-14-2003, 08:26 AM	#10
Aule Wight Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hammering away in Valinor Posts: 126	Balin i'm sure that Pippin doesn't die, cause Gimli pulls him from the heap of bodies saving his life. But none the less it was a very sad part cause i myself though he died until i read further. An extremey sad part was when Gollum nearly becomes good again but Sam ruins it, just knowing that Gollum may have been saved brough a tear to my eye, although i was consoled by the fact by his continued evil peace was brought back into the world. At the grey havens when Frodo finally leaves his friends and ME, it was also particularly sad for me as i realised that soon there would be no more Elves left in ME, so that tere goodness would never be seen again. In the Silm when Fingolfin goes out to fight Morgoth and finally after a galant fight dies. (at least i think its Fingolfin). Though again felt better knowing that he humiliated Morgoth (in my opinion) so that no Orc would ever boast of that fight as a great victory __________________ For him that is pitiless, the deeds of pity are ever strange and beyond reckoning - of Melkor before his final downfall

01-14-2003, 11:26 AM	#11
Estelyn Telcontar Princess of Skwerlz Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: where the Sea is eastwards (WtR: 6060 miles) Posts: 7,500	This opinion topic has been moved to the Novices and Newcomers forum; you are welcome to continue reading and posting there. __________________ 'Mercy!' cried Gandalf. 'If the giving of information is to be the cure of your inquisitiveness, I shall spend all the rest of my days in answering you. What more do you want to know?' 'The whole history of Middle-earth...'

01-14-2003, 12:18 PM	#13
Eomer of the Rohirrim Auspicious Wraith Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 4,859	Pippin? Dead? That's what I thought, and I was very sad. __________________ Los Ingobernables de Harlond

01-14-2003, 01:01 PM	#14
Vardadurwen Wight Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Saskatchewan, Canada Posts: 102	When Galadriel gives Frodo the phial of light. Breaks my heart. I cry everytime I read it. Also, the Grey Havens. I seriously bawled my eyes out the first time I finished the books. It was just so heart-wrenching! __________________ 'In this phial,' she said, 'is caught the light of Earendil's star....May it be a light to you in dark places, when all other lights go out...' - Galadriel 'Now there's an eye-opener and no mistake!' - Samwise Gamgee

01-14-2003, 04:22 PM	#15
Meela Denethor's True Love Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Mirkwood. With Thranduil... swoon Posts: 2,049	all the sad parts __________________ 'The Hobbit' 1st impressions: 1. Thorin is hot... Oh god, I fancy a dwarf. 2. Thranduil is hotter. 3. Is that... Figwit! 4. Does Elijah Wood never age? 2nd: It's all about Fili & Kili, really. 3rd: BARD! OMG, Bard.

01-14-2003, 04:37 PM	#16
Eldawen of Lorien Pile O'Bones Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Lothlorien Posts: 24	The saddest part for me was the end when most of the elves leave Middle-Earth and Lothlorien fades away. Also when you never find out if Sam ever sees Frodo again.

01-14-2003, 04:47 PM	#17
MLD-Grounds-Keeper-Willie Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: San Francisco Posts: 573	Yeah, i also think that the Pippin part was sad. I swear I reread that part like 15 times in disbelief. I kept looking for something that I read wrong before I decided to read on. But when i found out later that he lived, I was so happy and relieved. I also think that the part when Sam gives the ring back to Frodo is sad. It shows how powerful the ring is. Sam willingly gave teh ring back to Frodo, but still he was reluctant. And it can tear two friends apart like that, in the blink of an eye. What if Sam had been the slightest bit weaker or greedier. The ring can create so much wrong and evil, like Smeagol and Deagol. But I think the saddest part about that is that Sam gave Frodo the ring back, and then the Frodo hallucinates and sees Sam as an orc. That is so sad. And after this, it brings them closer than ever, but it makes it so much sadder when Frodo leaves. And it's also sad how Denethor took the vision the wrong way and caused bloodshed of Gondor on itself, and how he commits suicide himself. __________________ Do Not Touch -Willie

01-14-2003, 04:53 PM	#18
Fingo Haunting Spirit Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Over the river and through the woods (literally) Posts: 59	I ALWAYS tear up when Frodo explains to Sam that he is leaving Middle Earth. The fact that he bore so much pain and suffering and all he wanted was to stay at home in the Shire. But when he had finally completed his task, he found he couldn't even enjoy it. He was too wounded to live his life in the Shire anymore. SNIFFLE I cry until I finish the RotK, ponder over it, then pick the Hobbit back up and start all over. __________________ "We are raised to honor all the wrong explorers and discoverers- thieves planting flags, murderers carrying crosses. Let us at last praise the colonizers of dreams."

01-14-2003, 10:12 PM	#19
Iarwain Pugnaciously Primordial Paradox Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Birnham Wood Posts: 800	I'd have to say that the scene with Gollum on the Stairs, the End, and Merry remembring Theoden in the Houses of Healing. Smiling Sorrowfully, Iarwian __________________ "And what are oaths but words we say to God?"

01-14-2003, 10:22 PM	#20
elven maiden Earwen Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: A world that never was and never will be Posts: 1,300	the whole meaning of the book is sad saddest thing when huan died and beren died also the story of turin and neior made really sad when theoden dies when merry thought of theoden battle of five armies(hobbit) death of thorin kili fili, the tale of arwen and aragorn and when frodo goes to the grey havens and when sam says im back [img]smilies/frown.gif[/img] __________________ We pillage and plunder, we rifle and loot, Drink up me hearties, Yo Ho. the looniest site in the world!!!

01-14-2003, 10:26 PM	#21
Faye Took Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 343	Finishing the books really brought me to tears. I have only read the books once so it was really sad. Does that count? __________________ Dream-of the ones who came before. They are calling from across a distant shore. My Blog

01-14-2003, 10:32 PM	#22
Arathiriel Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Blessed Realm Posts: 284	Saddest parts to me in LOTR are: When Sam thinks Frodo is dead in Shelob's Lair When Frodo and Sam say goodbye at the Grey Havens The ending to the story of Aragorn and Arwen Also the thought of all the Elves leaving Middle Earth makes me sad as well! __________________ 'I love him. He's like that, and sometimes it shines through, somehow. But I love him, whether or no.' - Samwise Gamgee

01-15-2003, 12:39 AM	#23
Gorwingel Beholder of the Mists Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Somewhere in the Northwest... for now Posts: 1,419	For me, the two saddest parts of the books are When Sam thinks Frodo's dead in Shelob's Lair, and he has to decide if he should go and continue the quest. Or stay with his fallen master (it's just so heart wrenching). And then the other part is the Grey Havens, because that is just so sad, poor Sam [img]smilies/frown.gif[/img] . I kind of was mad when I got to that part of the book because I thought everything was going to go well, and Frodo was going to stay in the Shire and grow old, but it just does not go that way. __________________ Wanted - Wonderfully witty quote that consists of pure brilliance

01-15-2003, 10:20 AM	#24
Balin999 Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: May 2000 Location: East of the Sun, West of the Moon Posts: 493	The saddest part of the book is when it ends, because you can't read on. When I read it for the first time and came to the "Well, I'm back", i was rather angry because I just didn't want the story to stop. So I started to read it again. __________________ ...Nichts ist gelber als Gelb selber... ...The opposite of courage in our society is not cowardice, but conformity... ...Everything is possible, except to ski through a revolving door...