What ever happened to the Dwarves after the Tird Age - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

King Turgon · 12-01-2002, 06:16 PM

The elves left and the men took power, but what happened to the Dwarves? I assume that the ents, orcs, and trolls eventually exticnt. One possibility is that all the dwarves were wipped out at Moria, but how does that explain Gilmi. Can anyone shed some light on this?

MLD-Grounds-Keeper-Willie · 12-01-2002, 06:54 PM

I don't know either, but I assume that they diminished in the mountains, looking for treasures or something. I'm not surprised there is not a lot of info on this because dwarves usually did isolate themselves from the other races of middle-earth. I'll try to find some more info for you.

Tyler · 12-03-2002, 02:31 PM

This is just my opinion from the character of the dwarves. I really doubt that thay would become exticent. Thay are much to hardy and have been around to prove that. YOu think the dwarves will just sit down? Hey who knows thay might have gone to Morodor and mined there taken back Moria and developed the mountains by Helms Deep. Thats about all i have to say.

Durelin · 12-03-2002, 02:38 PM

I'm always confused about those kind of questions too, but I do have an idea. I believe they "hid in their caves seeking riches" eventually leading to their own extinction from Middle Earth. Even though it is a pretty bad way to end your existance, the civilization of Dwarves was ment to end to make room for men, by the Fourth Age, it is the time of Men. I don't know for sure, that is only and educated opinion. Someone please correct me if I have gone horribly wrong, which is probable! [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] Interesting topic...

the witch king · 12-03-2002, 02:42 PM

im gessing there numbers slowly fell over the years until they faded to small clans liveing in the mountains like the orcs did

Manwe Sulimo · 12-03-2002, 02:57 PM

They were assimilated into the civilizations of Men and slowly became...our "little people" (along with the hobbits [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]).

willkill4food · 12-03-2002, 05:29 PM

I dont understand why the dwarves did not re-populate moria after the balrog was defeated by gandolf...

I just thought of a good way for them to leave, they dig deeper and deeper into the ground, until they find the Aule, and he takes them to the place where the valar live

Aylwen Dreamsong · 12-03-2002, 05:36 PM

Don't forget that the male dwarves outnumber the females like...I think it was three to one. Besides, many dwarves never married or reproduced. At least, I think this is what it said in the Appendices. Maybe because the "death rate" is lower than the "birth rate" the dwarven race slowly dwindled.

Poor dwarves....
Aylwen

Inderjit Sanghera · 12-04-2002, 08:55 AM

I think that the dwarves went through a brief spell of ’good-fortune’, so to speak (say 500-1000 years), in which Durin 7th was probably born, until they begin to dwindle after his death and eventually nearly die out, sharing the fate of the Elves and Ents.

Bill Ferny · 12-04-2002, 09:01 AM

The last of the dwarves dwell in deep caverns under George Lucas' ranch.

Legolas · 12-04-2002, 09:25 AM

They evolved into Ewoks, didn't they?

Anyway, from part III of Appendix A:

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Dís was the daughter of Thráin II. She is the only dwarf-woman named in these histories. It was said by Gimli that there are few dwarf-women, probably no more than a third of the whole people. They seldom walk abroad except at great need, They are in voice and appearance, and in garb if they must go on a journey, so like to the dwarf-men that the eyes and ears of other peoples cannot tell them apart. This has given rise to the foolish opinion among Men that there are no dwarf-women, and that the Dwarves 'grow out of stone'.
It is because of the fewness of women among them that the kind of the Dwarves increases slowly, and is in peril when they have no secure dwellings. For Dwarves take only one wife or husband each in their lives, and are jealous, as in all matters of their rights. The number of dwarf-men that marry is actually less than one-third. For not all the women take husbands: some desire none; some desire one that they cannot get, and so will have no other. As for the men, very many also do not desire marriage, being engrossed in their crafts.

Keneldil the Polka-dot · 12-05-2002, 08:49 AM

Good post Legalos. No wonder Gimli thought Galadriel was so beautiful. All the women of his kind looked like the dwarf men. You'd think that would lead to dwarf men having a different standard for female beauty than other races.

Legolas · 12-05-2002, 11:42 AM

It meant that they only looked like that when they ventured out of their homes in foreign lands where elves, men, et. al might see them.

But still, I can't imagine them being beautiful - much less any competition for Galadriel's looks!

Keneldil the Polka-dot · 12-05-2002, 11:49 AM

Quote:

They are in voice and appearance, and in garb if they must go on a journey, so like to the dwarf-men that the eyes and ears of other peoples cannot tell them apart.

I'm not familiar with where this quote comes from (I quoted Legalos' quote [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] )so I may be out of context, but that seems to say to me that dwarf women (dwarfettes?) looked and sounded like dwarf men. When they were on journeys, they not only looked and sounded like dwarf men, but they also dressed like them. No wonder they didn't reproduce much [img]smilies/evil.gif[/img] .

12-01-2002, 06:16 PM	#1
King Turgon Pile O'Bones Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Gondolin Posts: 11	What ever happened to the Dwarves after the Tird Age The elves left and the men took power, but what happened to the Dwarves? I assume that the ents, orcs, and trolls eventually exticnt. One possibility is that all the dwarves were wipped out at Moria, but how does that explain Gilmi. Can anyone shed some light on this?

12-01-2002, 06:54 PM	#2
MLD-Grounds-Keeper-Willie Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: San Francisco Posts: 573	I don't know either, but I assume that they diminished in the mountains, looking for treasures or something. I'm not surprised there is not a lot of info on this because dwarves usually did isolate themselves from the other races of middle-earth. I'll try to find some more info for you. __________________ Do Not Touch -Willie

12-03-2002, 02:31 PM	#3
Tyler Animated Skeleton Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 37	This is just my opinion from the character of the dwarves. I really doubt that thay would become exticent. Thay are much to hardy and have been around to prove that. YOu think the dwarves will just sit down? Hey who knows thay might have gone to Morodor and mined there taken back Moria and developed the mountains by Helms Deep. Thats about all i have to say. __________________ Not all who wander are lost. -Tolkien

12-03-2002, 02:42 PM	#5
the witch king Wight Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Minas Morgul, Morgul Vale, Mordor Posts: 201	im gessing there numbers slowly fell over the years until they faded to small clans liveing in the mountains like the orcs did __________________ 'Whenever death may surprise us, let it be welcome if our battle cry has reached even one receptive ear and another hand reaches out to take up our arms.'~ Che Guevara.

12-03-2002, 02:57 PM	#6
Manwe Sulimo Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Taurelilómëa-tumbalemorna Tumbaletaurëa Lómëanor Posts: 553	They were assimilated into the civilizations of Men and slowly became...our "little people" (along with the hobbits [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]). __________________ "Monkeys learn sign language so they can tell the dolphins they love them."

12-03-2002, 02:38 PM	#4
Durelin Estelo dagnir, Melo ring Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,063	I'm always confused about those kind of questions too, but I do have an idea. I believe they "hid in their caves seeking riches" eventually leading to their own extinction from Middle Earth. Even though it is a pretty bad way to end your existance, the civilization of Dwarves was ment to end to make room for men, by the Fourth Age, it is the time of Men. I don't know for sure, that is only and educated opinion. Someone please correct me if I have gone horribly wrong, which is probable! [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] Interesting topic...

12-03-2002, 05:29 PM	#7
willkill4food Animated Skeleton Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Salem, OR Posts: 44	I dont understand why the dwarves did not re-populate moria after the balrog was defeated by gandolf... I just thought of a good way for them to leave, they dig deeper and deeper into the ground, until they find the Aule, and he takes them to the place where the valar live __________________ Gil-galad was an Elven-king. Of him the harpers sadly sing...

12-03-2002, 05:36 PM	#8
Aylwen Dreamsong The Melody of Misery Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: The Island of Conclusions (You get there by jumping!)... Posts: 1,147	Don't forget that the male dwarves outnumber the females like...I think it was three to one. Besides, many dwarves never married or reproduced. At least, I think this is what it said in the Appendices. Maybe because the "death rate" is lower than the "birth rate" the dwarven race slowly dwindled. Poor dwarves.... Aylwen __________________ ...Come down now, they'll say. But everything looks perfect from far away - Come down now! But we'll stay.

12-04-2002, 08:55 AM	#9
Inderjit Sanghera Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Wolverhampton, England Posts: 716	I think that the dwarves went through a brief spell of ’good-fortune’, so to speak (say 500-1000 years), in which Durin 7th was probably born, until they begin to dwindle after his death and eventually nearly die out, sharing the fate of the Elves and Ents. __________________ “If I’m more of an influence on your son as a rapper then you are as a father then you've got to look at yourself as a parent” ~>Ice Cube. "Life is so beautiful"->Don Vito Corleone

12-04-2002, 09:01 AM	#10
Bill Ferny Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Bree Posts: 390	The last of the dwarves dwell in deep caverns under George Lucas' ranch. __________________ I prefer Gillaume d’Férny, connoisseur of fine fruit.

12-05-2002, 08:49 AM	#12
Keneldil the Polka-dot Wight Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Michigan Posts: 128	Good post Legalos. No wonder Gimli thought Galadriel was so beautiful. All the women of his kind looked like the dwarf men. You'd think that would lead to dwarf men having a different standard for female beauty than other races. __________________ "Trust in the ball Jake.....and throw yourself."

12-05-2002, 11:42 AM	#13
Legolas A Northern Soul Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Valinor Posts: 1,847	It meant that they only looked like that when they ventured out of their homes in foreign lands where elves, men, et. al might see them. But still, I can't imagine them being beautiful - much less any competition for Galadriel's looks! __________________ ...take counsel with thyself, and remember who and what thou art.