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11-26-2002, 06:26 PM | #1 |
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weird question about elves
alright this is a stupid question but its been nagging me so my question is :
do elves age in any way, shape, or form? i mean like getting a year older every hundred years, because in the movie both arwen and elrond and the rest of the elves all look young but i doubt they were born like that. Do they get to a certain agre and just stop aging or something? I hope you can answer this and i know its a stupid question but oh well. Im not sure this if this would go in here or in the books or somewhere else... please try and help, thanks.
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11-26-2002, 06:36 PM | #2 |
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Yes, they physically age a bit. An "Elvish" year is 144 solar years, but I am sure that they age a bit slower than that physically. They say that Elrond was ancient-looking when Frodo awakes in Rivendell (well, he was ancient), so yes, Elves age, just not as quickly as we do. Don't Elves come of age at about 100 years old? Right? Or did I just hallucinate reading that somewhere?
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11-26-2002, 07:33 PM | #3 |
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I'm in agreement with VanimaEdhel.
Elves definately do age, just not as quickly as mortals. And I'm not sure about 100 being the coming of age. Interesting though.
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11-26-2002, 07:46 PM | #4 |
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So are you guys saying that when an elf is 50 they look about ten? Or do elves grow (outwardly) like humans and then just stop around twenty? This has been hovering at the back of my mind for some time now; I'm glad someone brought it up.
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11-27-2002, 02:49 PM | #5 |
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Elves grow at the same rate as men when they are very young but slow down as they begin to leave childhood and can be over 50 when the reach their final adult form (I think)
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11-27-2002, 03:32 PM | #6 |
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Well, think of some elves we all know and love. Arwen: she was a couple of hundred? years old and looked like she was 20-40ish in human years
Cirdan: Thousands of years old, looked like a very old man Conclusion: Yes, elves age, slower than humans, but they do age.
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11-27-2002, 10:39 PM | #7 | ||
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Arwen, some couple of hundred years?? Let's say a couple of thousand!
Arwen was born in year 241 of the Third Age, the War of the Ring began in 3018 of the Third Age. As for the Elves aging, he is a quote from the Laws and the Customs of the Eldar from Morgoth's Ring - HoME 10. Quote:
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11-29-2002, 04:54 PM | #8 |
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WOW!
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11-29-2002, 05:06 PM | #9 |
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i think they all age at different rates look at Galadriel shes soooooo old but looks quite youthful
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11-30-2002, 12:52 AM | #10 |
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MaladyMirkwood, this is not a stupid question, and I'm moving it to the Books forum to give the experts a chance to answer.
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11-30-2002, 01:17 AM | #11 |
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the way i see it is that they do age but slow down the older they get. You probably won't know what i'm talking about here but i think its like one of those graphs- a parabola or something. The line never touches the y or x-axis but keeps getting closer. In other words elves never die of old age but keep aging. Sound weird huh...
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11-30-2002, 09:39 AM | #12 |
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Well in the books, Elrond, Elladan, and Elrohir were all described as looking 'niether young, nor old' (or something of that like.) So I take this to to mean that they were all quite old but being Elves made them just quite not look it. Or, something else I thought of, which is probably not right but, Galadriel is universally taken to be very fair and youthful looking, correct? Nothing about her looking young nor looking old. Do you think that Elrond, Elladan, and Elrohir looked that way because they were not 100% Elf? Maybe Elrond looking that way had something to do with only being half Elven and same with the twins, being 3/4 Elven. Well, I'm straying off topic, so I should stop now. Thanks.
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11-30-2002, 10:11 AM | #13 |
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Keep in mind that the way they LOOK in the movie isnt exactly the way Tolkien described them in the book.
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11-30-2002, 03:12 PM | #14 |
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Good point Guildo. Also, I think that elve's physical appearances do not really age that much once they are adults. I think that they just absorb more knowledge and get wiser as they get older. Also, you can think of it like it is for hobbits- a 30 year old hobbit is like a 13 year old human, I think (please correct me if i'm wrong).
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12-01-2002, 12:25 AM | #15 |
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Forgive me for not having quotes to back this up right now, but in reading the Sil. I remember thinking that an elf's state of mind sometimes had something to do with how old they looked. Captives released from Angband, etc. Also those who had seen the light of Valinor seemed to be described differently as if being exposed to that environment raised their state of mind and somehow altered their appearance.
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