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11-06-2009, 10:08 PM | #1 | |
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Some points raised in this thread recently regarding whether the wights could leave the Barrow-downs got me wondering about something.
Aragron makes this statement to the Council of Elrond, mainly for Boromir's edification: Quote:
Any thoughts on who the Dúnedain were primarily fighting off from Bree and the Shire in the Third Age?
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11-06-2009, 10:31 PM | #2 |
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Let's not forget about your average, random encounter lowlifes--common brigands and the lot. Sure, they may not lay siege to Bree itself, but its crime rate would certainly go up, and with the Road more dangerous that would also limit trade. Bree itself is pretty isolated, so the loss of that trade could be devastating.
I was always under the impression that Arnor itself was a pretty lawless place at this point and it was up to the Dunedain to keep the scum at bay--from the servants of Sauron to petty thugs.
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11-06-2009, 10:44 PM | #3 |
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I don't think of those Bree ruffians as characters who would "freeze your heart". Somehow I mostly thought of much more evil and dangerous being from the north, for example up near Deadman's Dike. There is a reference in the Tale of Years about the time when wolves threatened the Shire and Eriador, and it is said that they are still a threat today. Others could be Orcs perhaps from the north, or Trolls. Anyway, this sort of relates to my earlier question of why so much of Eriador is deserted. The suggestion is that much of it is haunted...
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11-06-2009, 11:27 PM | #4 |
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It seems clear there were various mailicious things roaming around the North; at least Trolls, maybe as far west as Weathertop, possibly some wolves, etc. But Aragorn's statement seems to indicate an organised settlement of evil beings of some sort, when he talks about then being 'a day's march' from Bree.
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11-06-2009, 11:43 PM | #5 | |
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11-07-2009, 08:07 AM | #6 | |
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That's an interesting topic. Anyway, as to what's been said, I think you can rule the North out: Deadman's Dike had bad reputation only because of the Breelanders' superstition. Gandalf told Butterbur that Rangers are regularly visiting the place, and he said it in a way that did imply rather a pilgrimage to a place bringing sweet memories of forgotten realm than to some haunted dungeon.
The words about "freezing one's heart", to me, imply something more than just "regular" brigands or wild animals (wolves etc.), but it could be Trolls or something like that, although I really doubt that they will be one day's march from Bree. Actually, there is this thing during Barliman's discussion with Gandalf when the Hobbits are returning home. Barliman says: Quote:
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