[MLD-Grounds-Keeper-Willie]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> I already know people who have already, and people who will see PJ's version as the real story. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> I don't know if this is common, but two people I know have started to read TTT after seeing the movie and they say its wrong and that they don't like it. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> I'm just angry at those types that like the movies that I mentioned <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Those are the people I am refering to when you said <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Who says they don't? Nowhere in today's media have I so far read a comment such as "the movies improved on an otherwise boring/stupid/slow/convoluted/etc. story." <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> <P>And please get it right this time. I do not want to take the time to re-explain it to you again.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> but swearing heavily on this forum goes against its climate and image. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>If you think that is swearing heavily, you have a lot to learn. I could have done so much more your eyes would have burst in disbelief. But I try to keep it down and while you think that goes against the climate and the image of this thread, I disagree. It doesn't go against, it only widens it. It shows how diverse some people are and shows a degree of what they feel. The swearing is bleeped anyways so you shouldn't mind it. I hope that you appreciate my effort to keep it down, but if it went against the climate/image, then estelyn would have done something about it. If it did go against the climate, then it would be outlawed and not censored. So if you still think that it goes against the climate/image, then talk to estelyn. If you both feel that way and you outlaw it all together, then that's fine and I have no objection.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> "Respect" by itself is a very vague term. Are you perhaps jealous that Peter Jackson's star will eclipse Tolkien's? For some people, maybe so. But why worry yourself over "some people"? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Respect means to feel or show esteem for; to honor. Esteem is to regard as of high order; think of with respect; prize. Honor is esteem; respect; reverence. Reverence is a feeling of profound awe. If you want to go further, then you look it up. Synonyms of respect are honor, heed, value, admire, heed, and esteem. It is not vague. If you can't understand what respect is then I mean respect as in recognizing the books significance and contribution with the movies. Think about it like this. You can disagree with your parents and not like them. You can find them boring and stupid, but you still respect them for bringing you into this world. So the movies are kind of like children of the books. They didn't turn out exactly like the books just like children don't turn out exactly like their parents, but there are the similarities. I don't really worry about it, I just get really furious when I hear people say certain stuff like that. I can't help it, its just the way I feel. And one of the reasons that I feel that way is because I have to see them about 5x a week. And most of them talk about it everyday so that's how often I have to hear about it. I just think its wrong, thats all. I'm sure there are some things in life like that. You get all riled up over it even though you don't have to. And if nothing like that ever happens to you, then good for you and you're very lucky. I am not jealous becauseI think that it won't eclipse us. It might try to get in the way, like a fog, and cloud it, but it won't eclipse it. And even if it did, there is no way I'd feel jealous. I'd feel angry and furious, but not jealous.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> How can a movie be "a bible" anyway? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>It was an exaggeration. What I mean is that some people see the movies as a word for word account of what really happened. If they are this way and they become LotR fans, then they use the movies as basis for their LotR obsession as christians use the bible as the basis for their religion.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> Fury is not very productive, is it? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>It doesn't matter whether it is or isn't. Fury is a raw emotion that people felt, and that I felt. It doesn't matter if an emotion is productive or not, that won't stop you from feeling it. <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> It just makes everyone tired in the end. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>It doesn't make me tired. <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> I hate to see the Movie forum dissolve into a complaining contest over the next month, especially if the complaining is not even entertaining. <BR> <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>We are saying how we feel and why. So if complaining were not allowed, then this thread would be empty and therefore onesided. And if you don't like to hear complaining, then leave this thread and stop complaining yourself you hypocrit. If this were a "complaining contest", then everyone would be complaining, which everyone is not. And it does not matter if someones complaining is entertaining or not. I don't care if your posts are entertaining or not, so your posts would be a lot less than 1218 if they were based on whether they were entertaining or not. These threads are here to say how you feel and what you think about the topic, not on entertainment. So if thats what you're looking for then you shouldn't come here. And lucky for you, the movie forum will not dissolve into a complaining contest. If you think that there are that many people out there that disagree with the movie, then that shows how little do. <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR> I think that sitting here and making each other upset over this is making Tolkien readers look like a bunch of reactionary dweebs. We have the right to gripe at the changes, but let's do it in a manner that makes for fun discourse, not "ooh I hate you forever PJ!" <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Not everything is fun or will be. And I guess we will look like "a bunch of reactionary dweebs" to you a lot. I was upset, like many others, before I came to this thread, and even to this forum. You can't change how we feel and I'm sorry if we are upset, but that's just the way it is.<P>I don't mean for my threads to offend you in any way. If they do, I'm sorry, but those are my views and they won't change because someone is offended or disagrees.<P>I don't hate PJ forever, I just extremley dislike what he has done to TTT.<p>[ December 21, 2002: Message edited by: MLD-Grounds-Keeper-Willie ]