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Sir Ian as Gandalf
Over at TheOneRing.net they've posted that Sir Ian's official web site has updated to show that he is Gandalf in The Hobbit and that it will be released in 2010.
http://www.mckellen.com/cinema/index0.htm Glad to see Sir Ian back!
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Wouldn't be the same without the only character in both books...
Save Elrond of course, but I always thought he could be done better anyway. Do we know if he's the same actor? |
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Good news to hear that Sir Ian is on board anyway and that the movie has an approximate release date now.
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![]() So wish they were going to have a completely fresh start and not enforce what will be a decade old set of parameters on the production .. really will be same old, same old.... ![]() NB Hugo Weaving is currently fliming The Wolfman with Del Toro which probably means that he is a shoo-in for Elrond if he wants to do it.
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The only actor, though, I'd want to be the same as in Lotr is Christopher Lee - in case they're going to have some White Council stuff there, which I don't doubt.
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I think that he is a bit too "stagey" - there is a difference between acting on stage and acting for a giant screen where every gesture is magnified. I think he needed to be more subtle. For me, he never made that transition to being Gandalf from being "Ian McKellen playing Gandalf". I suppose you notice it more when the characters are as well known as the actors - if not more so!!!
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Oooh, this totally made my morning. I love Sir Ian as Gandalf (particularly as Gandalf the Grey), and I really don't think the movie would be the same without him. I can't think of anyone I'd like to see in the role more.
Here's hoping Andy Serkis gets back on board, too. He owns the part of Gollum. For those of you who are already becoming disappointed and disillusioned, don't lose heart yet! 2010 is a long way off, and we hardly know anything about the movie, yet. There is plenty of room for growth and change. Edit: I see Del Toro is directing, so if nothing else, we know the movie will at least look pretty. ![]()
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del Toro confirms Andy S
Over at the TheOneRing.net they also have an interview posted with del Toro. He confirms that both Sir Ian and Andy S. are on board as are John Howe, Alan Lee, Howard Shore and others.
What will be interesting is when they start casting the other roles such as Bilbo, the dwarves, Beorn, Bard, Thranduil, etc.
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I am happy that Ian McKellen is staying. It just wouldn't be the same. And even more so with Andy Serkis as Gollum.
But now Gloin has to look similar to Gimli.
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I love the idea of McKellen coming back as Gandalf and felt he was perfect in the first films. I do badly want to see someone else as Elrond. Weaving was by far the weakest of all the major roles in the films. His style of acting is seventy years out of date and is borrowed from silent Cecil B. Demille movies. He is stiff, wooden, pompous and delivers his lines as if some extra material had been inserted into his spinal area.
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![]() Don't know if anyone can confirm the rumour that Philipa Boyens was taught by the late Professor Stanley Unwin? I found this pic http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertain...io/1759706.stm of him auditioning for Gandalf & here's a clip of him at a lecture on English Boyens is supposed to have attended in the early 90's http://www.stanleyunwin.com/audio/language%201.mp3 |
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Yes that was a terrible line, or perhaps he was suprised that the wise, noble, kind and self sacrificing book character had become a bitter, creepily jealous dad ... but the way he says Morrrrrrrrrrdorrrrrrrrrrrrr *thud*
Maybe he should have played it more like Mitzi... ![]() http://www.daisycutter.nl/MAMBO/imag...the_Desert.jpg
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If Weavings problems with acting are the script, then he has trouble with every script he handles. He evidenced the same wooden acting style in the MATRIX films and again in VENDETTA although we were blessed with his mask to hide his expressionless face in that one.
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I am glad to hear that Sir Ian McKellen will return as Gandalf, as I thought he did a great job.
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official (so says the bbc)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/low/entertainment/7375245.stm
great news, although I must admit a little bit of fear in Ian's quote stating that the director will start work on the scripts after finishing HELLBOY 2 oh dear. |
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What about John Rhys-Davies returning
(as Thorin?) but minus any dwarf tossing comments by anyone.
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Given the difficulties that Rhys-Davies experienced with the prosthetics and make-up, I doubt that he would be excited about any role that would require that of him again.
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I think that if he does return, it will be as Gloin.
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That great success is not a sign of quality? *faints with shock* The Matrix isn't really my thing but I enjoyed the dry humour in Weaving's performance. I can't really see Agent Smith as a gurning Jim Carrey style loon. Wooden in Priscilla? I think not.......... As for John R-D... I can't understand why it took so long to make him look like himself with more hair and a beard...
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Or perhaps it is both the singer and the song...the greatest actor can't fix an abominable script.
I really enjoyed Weaving as Agent Smith and thought he was the consistent highlight of a trilogy that grew progressively worse the longer it got. However, he just seemed perpetually grumpy as Elrond. I want more...subtlety and refinement and wisdom from the father of Arwen, the brother of Elros, the herald of Gil-galad, the greatest lore-master alive in Middle-earth. Regardless, I hope he comes back as Elrond in The Hobbit, for consistency's sake.
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Consistency... yeah, that's the hard question...
I must say I enjoy the news of Sir Ian and Andy Serkis - not only for consistency but for pure performance. I loved the warmth & love in the eyes of Gandalf and the personality of Gollum in the LotR films and I know I would miss them in the Hobbit if they were not there. With Hugo Weaving the question rekindles. He was quite good as agent Smith I think but not as Elrond. So is The Hobbit going to be a prequel to The Lord of the Rings-trilogy as a film? Or is it an independent film? Will it be just something to fill the visual & narrative ideas of PJ and Fran Walsh or is there room for el Toro to bring forwards his own vision? We'll see... And darn I'm waiting to see it! ![]()
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How much younger should Bilbo appear? Should Elrond and Galadriel (assuming she is in Part Deux) look even the tiniest bit younger? And Gandalf and Saruman--any fewer wrinkles? How will the makeup artists handle the natural aging of the actors who have played these characters? For my part, I was always disappointed in the PJ trilogy that Galadriel, who is thousands of years older than Elrond, and is his mother in law to boot, looked so much younger than him. Didn't she get even one wrinkle, one grey hair worrying about her daughter?
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Ian Holm was utterly fantastic as Bilbo in each and every scene in LOTR save one. The one exception being the finding of the One Ring where he simply could not disguise his age. Ten years has past since that filming and those ten years are the most difficult for an actor. Plus Holm has had health problems. He would have to play a more physically demanding role and appear younger than he did in LOTR.
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P.S. Speaking of the Beowulf movie, did anyone else find the visuals disturbing? I couldn't even watch the waxen-faced caricatures after a while.
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Anyway Bilbo should appear way younger. Sure, the ring kept him young, but he's only on the brink of adulthood in the Hobbit and twenty years younger than Frodo is in LOTR... |
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Are you sure? I thought they were the same age (50) when they each set out on their respective adventures. Perhaps I invented that.
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Frankly, I find the description of Galadriel and Celeborn (poor consort, no wonder he is ridiculed if he is denied a manly expression of experience) really weird. Possibly Tolkien wanted something to appear off kilter for his perilous realm, but the state of Galadriel and Celeborn reminds me more of the effect of the Ring, something altogether unnatural. If you've read Wilde's The Picture of Dorien Grey, the Lord and Lady of Lothlorien are even ickier. Maybe Tolkien just had trouble coming up with a second major description of elven immortality? 'cause elves start out as babies/kids and so they must show some kind of change over time. So, to keep this on topic, I suppose CGI techniques can be used where 10 years of actors' aging must hidden.
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The problem with portraying Elves on film is that you have to find real human beings who can carry off ageless and unearthly beauty and still convey the weight of centuries of life experience. Or you could go CGI, I guess, but oy vey, what an expensive headache. For me, the Elves are one of the more disappointing aspects of the films. Weaving is totally miscast as Elrond, IMO. Liv Tyler is too callow and angsty to really pull off Arwen. And words by the gross have been spilled about Orly, so I'll leave that alone. Cate Blanchett doesn't match up to G for me, but at least she's able to convey a sense of mature intelligence behind the beautiful face. |
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I don't think the Prof. was quite as enamoured of the Eldar as some of his readers (& certainly not as much as the makers/viewers of the movies - hence his 'embalmers' comment. I suspect that Lorien would grow something of a Hotel California experience after a while. Perfect Elven bodies everywhere, & an increasing lack of meaningful conversation to be had - once you'd got tired of being told how great things were in the 'old days' & how things had just gone continually downhill since the First Age - or really since the death of the Trees.. (to quote Marvin the Paranoid Android from Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: 'The first ten million years were the worst... & the second ten million years were the worst too....after that things just went down hill.'). Galadriel stated to Celebrimbor that she wanted to live in a land where the flowers & trees didn't die - a frozen, entirely plastic 'perfection'. The disconect between physical perfection & inner ennui, is by far the most interesting aspect of the Elves. They cannot grow old physically, & a reading of the Sil confirms that most of them are equally incapable of growing up.
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It isn't the Hobit that is the problem though is it? Clearly you will need a younger Bilbo, Elrond is a cameo, and Gollum alas will be played by a computer. Where you have problems is with what ever they cobble together for this in between film. Surely Aragorn and Elrond will be a big part of that . Saruman and Galadriel for that matter... ... I am not sure that Viggo is the sort of actor who would want to go back. He has many other interests. And given the age he may have to be recast... Weaving might not want to for a long haul either - or Cate Blanchett. The wonderful Christopher Lee is very hale for an octogenarian but ..... You may well need a younger Theoden and Denethor.... I can't help thinking of the Irishism "if I was going there I wouldn't start from here".
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