6 Degrees of Separation - The Barrow-Downs Discussion Forum

Joy · 03-27-2002, 11:57 PM

I am reviving an old topic originally posted by the BarrowWright.

Here are his rules:

Quote:

This one might be stupid ...we'll see ... but it was inspired by the Kevin Bacon game (if you don't know it, it doesn't matter).

The rules are:
Two names are given. You must trace a connection from the first name, through various other names, to the second name. When tracing from one name to another there must have been interaction or implied interaction in the novels between the two charcters. Also, a link can me made between names if the two characters are immediately related to each other (child, parent, spouse).

Example 1:
Frodo -- Grishnakh
The answer would be:
Frodo -- Pippin (or Merry) -- Grishnakh
direct interection in all links

Frodo -- Mauhur
The answer would be:
Frodo -- Pippin (or Merry) -- Ugluk --- Mauhur
direct -- dirrect -- direct -- indirect

Example 3:
Legolas -- Bard
The answer would be:
Legolas -- Thranduil -- Bard
related -- direct intereaction

OK... with all this in mind, I'm going to ask the first question in a reply to this message. Remember... to trace from a name to a name they must have interacted, most likely interacted, or be related to each other.

NOTE: There may be more than one answer. When creating a puzzle, try to make it so there is only one way to trace between the two names. This will be tricky.

ANOTHER NOTE: Someone like Eru is not a valid link unless we are linking Valar or something. And then Eru wouldn't be necessary since the Valar all knew each other well.

YET ANOTHER NOTE: Ask for a maximum number of links to trace the difference between two characters. For instance, in the Frodo to Mauhur example you would have to figure it out using no more than 3 links. See 6 degrees of Middle-Earth - #2 for the first question limiting the number of links that can be used.

Extra Note: Try not to use Gandalf, Saurman,or Sauron if it can be helped. These people have a link to just about everybody.

[ March 28, 2002: Message edited by: Joy ]

Joy · 03-28-2002, 12:01 AM

Okay, here is the first question:

Ted Sandyman ----> Haldir

Voronwe · 03-28-2002, 06:37 AM

Ted Sandyman -- Sam -- Haldir

Joy · 03-28-2002, 08:20 AM

Very good Voronwe

Voronwe · 03-28-2002, 04:40 PM

Here is one that might a little bit trickier:

Theoden --> Glaurung

Bruce MacCulloch · 03-28-2002, 10:41 PM

Théoden--Aragorn--Elrond--Eärendil--Tuor--Huor--Húrin--Túrin--Glaurung

or

Théoden--Aragorn--Galadriel--Orodreth--Finduilas--Glaurung

I'm sure there are many other possible ones, that's just what was in my mind immediately.

Joy · 03-30-2002, 08:14 PM

Bruce, both of those are good answers, but remeber, it is 6 degrees of separation. There can be only 5 answers to the final person.

Theoden --> Glaurung

Bruce MacCulloch · 03-30-2002, 08:23 PM

Theoden--Gandalf--Sauron--Morgoth--Glaurung

Joy · 03-30-2002, 08:43 PM

I knew you could come up with something Bruce! [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img]

Bruce MacCulloch · 03-31-2002, 12:31 AM

Bilbo Baggins --> Ancalimë

Joy · 03-31-2002, 01:29 AM

Bilbo -> Frodo -> Galadriel -> Aldarion -> Ancalimë

Bruce MacCulloch · 03-31-2002, 02:28 AM

All yours, Joy!

Joy · 03-31-2002, 02:22 PM

Rose Cotton --> Elwë

[ March 31, 2002: Message edited by: Joy ]

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Telchar · 03-31-2002, 02:31 PM

Heh - I havent tried this before [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img]
Here goes nothing:
Btw must it be the shortest way???
Rose - Frodo - Elrond - Celegorm - Elwe ???

or for certain

Rose - Frodo - Elrond - Elwing - Dior - Luthien - Elwë

- fun - heheh

Joy · 03-31-2002, 02:40 PM

Rose - Frodo - Elrond - Celegorm - Elwe

This is correct. Though I was thinking Rose -> Sam.

Telchar - it is 6 degrees of separation. There can be only 5 answers to the final person. So yes, the shortest answer wins.

Telchar · 04-01-2002, 11:02 AM

OK I'll try one

Sauron ---> Miriel

Elenhin · 04-01-2002, 11:11 AM

Sauron -> Finrod -> Finarfin -> Feanor -> Miriel

Bruce MacCulloch · 04-02-2002, 12:15 AM

Heh - Even shorter:
Sauron-->Morgoth-->Fëanor-->Miriel

Telchar · 04-02-2002, 01:18 AM

Yes Bruce is correct! When I thought of it, my mind was set on S - Celebrimbor - G - F - M, when I had posted I looked at it the other way around - only difference was that I used Finwe instreat of Feanor. Well go on Bruce, these are a fresh breath of air ... [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img]

Bruce MacCulloch · 04-02-2002, 01:51 AM

Durin --> Gimli

Telchar · 04-02-2002, 08:04 AM

Durin - Aulë - Olorin - Gimli

Bruce MacCulloch · 04-02-2002, 03:58 PM

I suppose that's close enough that I should give it to you.

Telchar · 04-03-2002, 08:44 AM

Tar-Miriel ----> Barahir

Turambar · 04-03-2002, 02:52 PM

Barahir --> Finrod (ring) --> Sauron (Tol in Gaurhoth) --> Pharazon (counselor) --> Tar Miriel

Nefwathiel Teleri · 04-03-2002, 07:09 PM

This is cool. I wanna try. OK, heere goes nothin'

Glaurung->Iluvatar.

Its easy, I know. [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img]

Bruce MacCulloch · 04-03-2002, 10:40 PM

Nefwathiel, a note about the 'rules' of the Quiz Room. If you look at the header for the Quiz Room, you will see:

Quote:

Ask a trivia question about Middle-Earth. The first person to get it right continues the thread with a new question.

Telchar · 04-04-2002, 06:16 AM

Turambar is correct [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

(but I did have Gorlim insteat of Finrod)

Proceed please...

Turambar · 04-04-2002, 07:09 AM

Let's see - how about:

Ingwë ---> Idril

Voronwe · 04-04-2002, 09:40 AM

Ingwë - > Finwë - > Fingolfin - > Turgon -> Idril

Or maybe even just Ingwë - > Manwë - > Earendil - > Idril

Telchar · 04-05-2002, 07:21 AM

Another 4-way could be
Ingwë - Thingol - Hurin - Idril -...

Voronwe · 04-05-2002, 05:33 PM

Ingwë might even have met Idril. At least they probably would have seen one another.

Telchar · 04-05-2002, 07:03 PM

Actually yes Voronwe - nice point! She had to be born in Valinor! [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img]

Voronwe · 04-06-2002, 08:27 AM

Ok, next one:

Halbarad -> Fingon

Telchar · 04-07-2002, 07:20 AM

Halbarad - Aragorn - elrond - Gil-galad - Fingon

... According to SILM! BtW maybe you can leave out Aragorn? or change him to either Elladan or Elrohir.

Another fun direction would be assuming that Halbarad meet Glorfindel at Rivendell, and there by cut it down to 4 seps:

Halbarad - Glorfindel - Turgon - Fingon

[ April 07, 2002: Message edited by: Telchar ]

Voronwe · 04-07-2002, 08:51 AM

Quite correct. It would also be possible to use Galadriel for the First-age connection.

Ask away.

Telchar · 04-13-2002, 04:32 AM

Voronwe ---> Merry

Turambar · 04-14-2002, 08:07 AM

Well - Voronwë - Tuor - Earendil - Elros - Elessar - Merry, but there may be a shorter route.

Regarding Ingwë --> I was thinking of Indis as the link to Fingolfin - didn't think of the others.

[ April 14, 2002: Message edited by: Turambar ]

Telchar · 04-15-2002, 12:18 AM

I can get it to at least 6 degrees... and I guess that a 5-way can be found so...

Mat_Heathertoes · 04-15-2002, 02:42 AM

Voronwë - Tuor - Earendil - Elrond - Merry ?

Telchar · 04-15-2002, 02:52 AM

Exactly Mat - well done as ever!

03-28-2002, 06:37 AM	#3
Voronwe Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Gondolin Posts: 413	Ted Sandyman -- Sam -- Haldir __________________ "If you would be a real seeker after truth, you must at least once in your life doubt, as far as possible, all things." -- René Descartes

03-28-2002, 08:20 AM	#4
Joy Spirit of a Warrior Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Wandering Posts: 1,012	Very good Voronwe __________________ God bless, Joy KingdomWarrior@hotmail.com http://kingdomWarrior.jlym.com As the hart panteth after the water brooks, so panteth my soul after thee, O God. My soul thirsteth for God, for the living God: when shall I come and appear before God?

03-28-2002, 04:40 PM	#5
Voronwe Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Gondolin Posts: 413	Here is one that might a little bit trickier: Theoden --> Glaurung __________________ "If you would be a real seeker after truth, you must at least once in your life doubt, as far as possible, all things." -- René Descartes

03-28-2002, 10:41 PM	#6
Bruce MacCulloch Dead Man of Dunharrow Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 651	Théoden--Aragorn--Elrond--Eärendil--Tuor--Huor--Húrin--Túrin--Glaurung or Théoden--Aragorn--Galadriel--Orodreth--Finduilas--Glaurung I'm sure there are many other possible ones, that's just what was in my mind immediately. __________________ `A blunderbuss, was it?' said he, scratching his head. `I thought it was horseflies!'

03-30-2002, 08:14 PM	#7
Joy Spirit of a Warrior Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Wandering Posts: 1,012	Bruce, both of those are good answers, but remeber, it is 6 degrees of separation. There can be only 5 answers to the final person. Theoden --> Glaurung __________________ God bless, Joy KingdomWarrior@hotmail.com http://kingdomWarrior.jlym.com As the hart panteth after the water brooks, so panteth my soul after thee, O God. My soul thirsteth for God, for the living God: when shall I come and appear before God?

03-28-2002, 12:01 AM	#2
Joy Spirit of a Warrior Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Wandering Posts: 1,012	Okay, here is the first question: Ted Sandyman ----> Haldir __________________ God bless, Joy KingdomWarrior@hotmail.com http://kingdomWarrior.jlym.com As the hart panteth after the water brooks, so panteth my soul after thee, O God. My soul thirsteth for God, for the living God: when shall I come and appear before God?

03-30-2002, 08:23 PM	#8
Bruce MacCulloch Dead Man of Dunharrow Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 651	Theoden--Gandalf--Sauron--Morgoth--Glaurung __________________ `A blunderbuss, was it?' said he, scratching his head. `I thought it was horseflies!'

03-30-2002, 08:43 PM	#9
Joy Spirit of a Warrior Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Wandering Posts: 1,012	I knew you could come up with something Bruce! [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] [img]smilies/biggrin.gif[/img] __________________ God bless, Joy KingdomWarrior@hotmail.com http://kingdomWarrior.jlym.com As the hart panteth after the water brooks, so panteth my soul after thee, O God. My soul thirsteth for God, for the living God: when shall I come and appear before God?

03-31-2002, 12:31 AM	#10
Bruce MacCulloch Dead Man of Dunharrow Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 651	Bilbo Baggins --> Ancalimë __________________ `A blunderbuss, was it?' said he, scratching his head. `I thought it was horseflies!'

03-31-2002, 01:29 AM	#11
Joy Spirit of a Warrior Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Wandering Posts: 1,012	Bilbo -> Frodo -> Galadriel -> Aldarion -> Ancalimë __________________ God bless, Joy KingdomWarrior@hotmail.com http://kingdomWarrior.jlym.com As the hart panteth after the water brooks, so panteth my soul after thee, O God. My soul thirsteth for God, for the living God: when shall I come and appear before God?

03-31-2002, 02:28 AM	#12
Bruce MacCulloch Dead Man of Dunharrow Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 651	All yours, Joy! __________________ `A blunderbuss, was it?' said he, scratching his head. `I thought it was horseflies!'

03-31-2002, 02:22 PM	#13
Joy Spirit of a Warrior Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Wandering Posts: 1,012	Rose Cotton --> Elwë [ March 31, 2002: Message edited by: Joy ] [ March 31, 2002: Message edited by: Joy ] __________________ God bless, Joy KingdomWarrior@hotmail.com http://kingdomWarrior.jlym.com As the hart panteth after the water brooks, so panteth my soul after thee, O God. My soul thirsteth for God, for the living God: when shall I come and appear before God?

03-31-2002, 02:31 PM	#14
Telchar Stonehearted Dwarf Smith Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark Posts: 2,247	Heh - I havent tried this before [img]smilies/wink.gif[/img] Here goes nothing: Btw must it be the shortest way??? Rose - Frodo - Elrond - Celegorm - Elwe ??? or for certain Rose - Frodo - Elrond - Elwing - Dior - Luthien - Elwë - fun - heheh __________________ Anar Kaluva Tielyanna.

03-31-2002, 02:40 PM	#15
Joy Spirit of a Warrior Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Wandering Posts: 1,012	Rose - Frodo - Elrond - Celegorm - Elwe This is correct. Though I was thinking Rose -> Sam. Telchar - it is 6 degrees of separation. There can be only 5 answers to the final person. So yes, the shortest answer wins. __________________ God bless, Joy KingdomWarrior@hotmail.com http://kingdomWarrior.jlym.com As the hart panteth after the water brooks, so panteth my soul after thee, O God. My soul thirsteth for God, for the living God: when shall I come and appear before God?

04-01-2002, 11:02 AM	#16
Telchar Stonehearted Dwarf Smith Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark Posts: 2,247	OK I'll try one Sauron ---> Miriel __________________ Anar Kaluva Tielyanna.

04-01-2002, 11:11 AM	#17
Elenhin Wight Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Vantaa, Finland Posts: 205	Sauron -> Finrod -> Finarfin -> Feanor -> Miriel

04-02-2002, 12:15 AM	#18
Bruce MacCulloch Dead Man of Dunharrow Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 651	Heh - Even shorter: Sauron-->Morgoth-->Fëanor-->Miriel __________________ `A blunderbuss, was it?' said he, scratching his head. `I thought it was horseflies!'

04-02-2002, 01:18 AM	#19
Telchar Stonehearted Dwarf Smith Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark Posts: 2,247	Yes Bruce is correct! When I thought of it, my mind was set on S - Celebrimbor - G - F - M, when I had posted I looked at it the other way around - only difference was that I used Finwe instreat of Feanor. Well go on Bruce, these are a fresh breath of air ... [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img] __________________ Anar Kaluva Tielyanna.

04-02-2002, 01:51 AM	#20
Bruce MacCulloch Dead Man of Dunharrow Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 651	Durin --> Gimli __________________ `A blunderbuss, was it?' said he, scratching his head. `I thought it was horseflies!'

04-02-2002, 08:04 AM	#21
Telchar Stonehearted Dwarf Smith Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark Posts: 2,247	Durin - Aulë - Olorin - Gimli __________________ Anar Kaluva Tielyanna.

04-02-2002, 03:58 PM	#22
Bruce MacCulloch Dead Man of Dunharrow Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 651	I suppose that's close enough that I should give it to you. __________________ `A blunderbuss, was it?' said he, scratching his head. `I thought it was horseflies!'

04-03-2002, 08:44 AM	#23
Telchar Stonehearted Dwarf Smith Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark Posts: 2,247	Tar-Miriel ----> Barahir __________________ Anar Kaluva Tielyanna.

04-03-2002, 02:52 PM	#24
Turambar Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Non-Stop Home Posts: 859	Barahir --> Finrod (ring) --> Sauron (Tol in Gaurhoth) --> Pharazon (counselor) --> Tar Miriel __________________ In the upper air the fireflies move more slowly.

04-03-2002, 07:09 PM	#25
Nefwathiel Teleri Wight Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 122	This is cool. I wanna try. OK, heere goes nothin' Glaurung->Iluvatar. Its easy, I know. [img]smilies/rolleyes.gif[/img]

04-04-2002, 06:16 AM	#27
Telchar Stonehearted Dwarf Smith Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark Posts: 2,247	Turambar is correct [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] (but I did have Gorlim insteat of Finrod) Proceed please... __________________ Anar Kaluva Tielyanna.

04-04-2002, 07:09 AM	#28
Turambar Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Non-Stop Home Posts: 859	Let's see - how about: Ingwë ---> Idril __________________ In the upper air the fireflies move more slowly.

04-04-2002, 09:40 AM	#29
Voronwe Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Gondolin Posts: 413	Ingwë - > Finwë - > Fingolfin - > Turgon -> Idril Or maybe even just Ingwë - > Manwë - > Earendil - > Idril __________________ "If you would be a real seeker after truth, you must at least once in your life doubt, as far as possible, all things." -- René Descartes

04-05-2002, 07:21 AM	#30
Telchar Stonehearted Dwarf Smith Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark Posts: 2,247	Another 4-way could be Ingwë - Thingol - Hurin - Idril -... __________________ Anar Kaluva Tielyanna.

04-05-2002, 05:33 PM	#31
Voronwe Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Gondolin Posts: 413	Ingwë might even have met Idril. At least they probably would have seen one another. __________________ "If you would be a real seeker after truth, you must at least once in your life doubt, as far as possible, all things." -- René Descartes

04-05-2002, 07:03 PM	#32
Telchar Stonehearted Dwarf Smith Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark Posts: 2,247	Actually yes Voronwe - nice point! She had to be born in Valinor! [img]smilies/smile.gif[/img] __________________ Anar Kaluva Tielyanna.

04-06-2002, 08:27 AM	#33
Voronwe Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Gondolin Posts: 413	Ok, next one: Halbarad -> Fingon __________________ "If you would be a real seeker after truth, you must at least once in your life doubt, as far as possible, all things." -- René Descartes

04-07-2002, 07:20 AM	#34
Telchar Stonehearted Dwarf Smith Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark Posts: 2,247	Halbarad - Aragorn - elrond - Gil-galad - Fingon ... According to SILM! BtW maybe you can leave out Aragorn? or change him to either Elladan or Elrohir. Another fun direction would be assuming that Halbarad meet Glorfindel at Rivendell, and there by cut it down to 4 seps: Halbarad - Glorfindel - Turgon - Fingon [ April 07, 2002: Message edited by: Telchar ] __________________ Anar Kaluva Tielyanna.

04-07-2002, 08:51 AM	#35
Voronwe Shade of Carn Dûm Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Gondolin Posts: 413	Quite correct. It would also be possible to use Galadriel for the First-age connection. Ask away. __________________ "If you would be a real seeker after truth, you must at least once in your life doubt, as far as possible, all things." -- René Descartes

04-13-2002, 04:32 AM	#36
Telchar Stonehearted Dwarf Smith Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark Posts: 2,247	Voronwe ---> Merry __________________ Anar Kaluva Tielyanna.

04-14-2002, 08:07 AM	#37
Turambar Ghost Prince of Cardolan Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Non-Stop Home Posts: 859	Well - Voronwë - Tuor - Earendil - Elros - Elessar - Merry, but there may be a shorter route. Regarding Ingwë --> I was thinking of Indis as the link to Fingolfin - didn't think of the others. [ April 14, 2002: Message edited by: Turambar ] __________________ In the upper air the fireflies move more slowly.